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When a photograph says more than words ever could… April 21, 2020

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…for the following.

Prior to the hearing, more than 100 supporters of [guess who!] the plaintiffs gathered in the Four Courts complex. Some went into courtroom number one of the Four Courts while others congregated in the Round Hall outside the courtroom.A small number of gardaí monitored the situation and cleared supporters from the courtroom before the judge came onto the bench just after 11am arising from social distancing guidelines introduced by the Chief Justice and the Presidents of the Courts arising out of the Covid-19 pandemic.

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1. alanmyler - April 21, 2020

I can think of some words…

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2. Joe - April 21, 2020

Workers recently made redundant protest outside Debenhams, following all the social distancing rules, and are told to go home by Gardaí because they had made an unnecessary journey.
Racist anti-vax nutjobs invade the court building and gather in a big crowd, against all the social distancing rules, and… no action taken?

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oliverbohs - April 21, 2020

It’s nauseating, esp regarding the conflicting advice the Guards gave the Debenham workers. In Cork they were allowed to protest, not so on Henry St. There could literally be years of this kind of I don’t make the rules guff. As for the patriots at the Four Courts, if you transplanted them onto the Western Front in 1917 they’d just deny there was a war going on

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WorldbyStorm - April 21, 2020

I really couldn’t see a problem with the Debenhams protest. Social distancing being observed. The line about non-essential seems spurious in the extreme (given this had a financial implication and it was their work). And the discrepancy between Cork and Dublin…

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Ned Corcaigh - April 22, 2020

A political element to it no doubt. But also perhaps a fear on the side of the guards that John and Gemma’s citizen army would probably spit and cough on them at every opportunity if approached.
The Debenhams workers were essentially being punished for being rational and decent human beings.

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WorldbyStorm - April 22, 2020

+1

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WorldbyStorm - April 22, 2020

Btw – I say this every time but Wtf happened to JW in the last three decades?

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

Lost to reaction from the moment of his Dostoevskian epiphany over Sean O Doherty’s jiving.

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

or plain Sean Doherty

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Ned Corcaigh - April 22, 2020

Jiving At The Crossroads was a classic backlash document. The underlying argument that the real villains of the battles over divorce, abortion etc. in the eighties were those trendy Dublin liberals looking down their noses at the decent salt to earth country people (not just represented but epitomised by Doherty) can lead you down a slippery slope, as has happened with its author.
And I say this as a bogman who understands the seductive appeal of said argument. It was an early version of an argument which has served Trump, Brexit and Johnson among others well since.
The whole argument about the inviolately conservative nature of Rural Ireland is also one which can best be made if, like JW, you don’t live there.
To paraphrase Paul Durcan, it’s always been Castlerea in the light of Dalkey.

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

Seems JW never got beyond the revelation of the rural antithesis to the thesis of his trendy Dublin years. The dialectic is memorably depicted by John Barth in the Sot Weed Factor:

“…the rustical wight is all for England and thinks each Frenchman the Devil himself, but a year in London and he’ll sneer at the simple way his farm folk reason. Then comes a man who’s traveled that road who says, Plague
take this foppish shill-I, shall-l! When all’s said and done ’tis England to the end!’; and after him your man that’s been abroad and vows ’tis not a matter of shill-I, shall-I to one who’s traveled, for no folk are cleverer than the clever French, ‘gainst which your English townsman’s but a bump- kin. Next yet’s the man who’s seen not France alone but every blessed province on the globe; he says ’tis the novice traveler sings such praise for Paris, the man who’s seen ’em all comes home to England and carries all’s refinement in his heart. But then comes your grand skeptical philosopher, that will not grant right to either side; and after him a grander, that knows no side is right but takes sides anyway for the clever nonsense
oft; and after him your worldly saint, that says he’s past all talk of wars and kings fore’er, and gets him a great name for virtue. And after him ”

”Enough, I beg you!” Ebenezer cried, “My head spinsl For God’s sake what’s your point?”

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Ned Corcaigh - April 22, 2020

Top notch ASAC.
Great book if something of an endurance test which left me with an enduring love of the words ‘swive’ and ‘wight.’. Giles Boat Boy defeated me however.

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sonofstan - April 22, 2020

“Btw – I say this every time but Wtf happened to JW in the last three decades?”

NC is spot on up there.
I think, though, being paid to have opinions by the MSM is a path to perdition – hard to believe, but Kevin Myers, Johann Hari, Gary Bushell, Rod Liddle, Julie Burchill and Melanie Phillips weren’t always complete idiots either.

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Joe - April 22, 2020

Wow ArScáth. That’s some piece you shared there. I need to read it again, and again probably. But after one read I’m suggesting it’s a good description of a debate on the CLR. It wouldn’t fit as the new strapline would it?

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

Maybe just the end ” For God’s sake what’s your point?”

Barth is a clever writer , maybe a bit too clever . I read that book 34 years ago and NCs comment brought that passage flooding back to me. ( not word for word mind you , im not Rain man ) I can remember books i read in my teens better than what i read two months ago.

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WorldbyStorm - April 22, 2020

Fantastic quote ar scáth a chéile, but that’s a bit too pessimistic for the site as a strapline!

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Bartholomew - April 22, 2020

Could you make a case that the garda actually did the Debenham’s workers a favour? They’re protesting outside an empty shop and in an empty street, and physically it looks like a series of individual protests rather than a workforce. Being sent home got them into the papers and got far more publicity for their case than the protest would have done.

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3. An Sionnach Fionn - April 21, 2020

A shower of punts… ARRRGH! Damn spell checker! 😉

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4. ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

Anthony Dimaggio on the somewhat different US variant :

“The rapidly rising salience of right-wing protests fits an established pattern that has played out repeatedly over the last decade in the U.S. news media: radically exaggerate the significance of the protests of a very small number of people, who reflect extremist and pro-business opinions that are rejected by most Americans, but who claim to speak in the name of the people. This narrative has been quite harmful to American political discourse, because it obscures the role that pro-business faux citizens groups have played in creating the false impression of a mass uprising against the status quo. The overlap of these right-wing protests with the Covid-19 economic crisis means that many journalists are likely to embrace the lazy argument that economic insecurity fosters right-wing political values. But as the review above suggests, the groups that are leading this small protest movement are not organizing in the name of the vulnerable, poor, or disadvantaged. They’re mobilizing in favor of elitist principles of profit-making and corporate power, while embracing extremely general philosophical rhetoric about the need for small government and liberty. They do not represent the interests of the large majority of Americans, who embrace state-wide shutdowns to curtail the spread of Covid-19, and who are calling for massive federal intervention to provide financial assistance to Americans due to the Covid-19 crisis. Recognition of the fringe nature of these protests is vital moving forward, as we hear a constant drumbeat from the reactionary right about how Americans want “free market” and limited government responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/21/coronavirus-and-rightwing-rebellion-retreading-a-tired-narrative/

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

BTW has anyone found the affidavits by JW and GOD and Statement Grounding the Judicial Review. Courts.ie only confirms that theyve been filed

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WorldbyStorm - April 22, 2020

That’s a pretty solid analysis there Dimaggio offers and it does translate fairly well across.

I haven’t but would love to.

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Joe - April 22, 2020

A friend shared a good quote. The person who chooses to represent himself in court has a fool for a client.

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Miguel62 - April 22, 2020

I didn’t think you could get these from courts.ie – am I behind the times?

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ar scáth a chéile - April 23, 2020

You can’t. i was wasting my time. But I think you can get them from High Court office. I would have thought they are public documents

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CL - April 22, 2020

Trump to picket White House?

“Trump for three straight days has backed demonstrators protesting state restrictions, ratcheting up already high tensions with state governors and cutting against the White House’s own recommendations for a gradual reopening of business.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/493701-trump-support-for-protests-threatens-to-undermine-social-distancing

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Miguel62 - April 23, 2020

Yeah, that’s what I thought the story was. Do you know if there’s a difference between pleadings and supporting affidavits? I THINK the former are public documents whereas the latter may not be? Surprising in a way that journalists don’t make more use of court documents.

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Miguel62 - April 23, 2020

Sorry, that was meant as a reply the comment above by ar scáth a chéile.

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Tomboktu - April 23, 2020

Do they get charged for copies of court documents? If so, that would probably explain why they don’t make more use of them.

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5. Tomboktu - April 22, 2020

Wouldn’t it be deliciously ironic if they were convicted under the emergency legislation

“Investigation underway after large gathering at Four Courts”

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0422/1134123-four-court-gathering-covid-19/

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ar scáth a chéile - April 22, 2020

Anyway prediction: JW and GOD refused leave to bring JR ; no costs against them because public interest case,

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6. Ao Kieu Dep - July 2, 2020

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