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Statements in the media… good, bad and indifferent… June 28, 2020

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In today’s SBP a columnist frets over the centre ground… [behind a paywall]

Is it in the national interest to permanently contract the centre ground of Irish politics? Is it in the national interest to clear the way for Sinn Féin to become the only effective voice of opposition in Ireland? Is it in the national interest to form a coalition based on a big spending programme for government which is simply undeliverable in a global recession? Is it in the national interest to ignore the prospect of a no-trade deal end to Britain’s transition period on December 31 – and not even factor it into this programme for government?

The rational answer to all of these questions is no, but they have barely entered the public debate on this coalition deal in recent weeks.

In a way didn’t the voters at the last number of elections do that job as regards ‘contracting’ the supposed ‘centre ground’? Though she’s not wrong about the broader dynamic re opposition.

From the IT (natch!), surprise expressed that the GPNI has a right to vote on the programme for government and that members of the GP might have a variety of views, some of which encompass socio-economic issues:

In recent weeks, the Greens in the Republic have raised some eyebrows with some very public spats and increasingly snarky tones that seem a tweet away from defection to People Before Profit in the case of some nearly-electeds. Climate justice – as distinct from climate emergency – is the sweeping canvass that may be a surprise package to some new Green voters…
It took a lot of new Green voters to help a lot of new Green TDs to squeak in after late counts. Their leaders are taking a hellish risk.

But they have put their stamp on a programme for government that however inadequate, can only be a force for good. It’s up to us to support them when the fracking turns real.

Good piece from Diarmuid Ferriter on the same issue.

This, from a scandal in the UK…

Newly released documents show exchanges between Robert Jenrick, the housing secretary, and Richard Desmond, a property developer and Tory donor, as well as other documents relating to a £1bn development in east London.

Text message from Desmond: “Your efficient PA has arranged a meeting for 19 December at 10.30am for meet and site visit. Good news finally the inspectors reports have gone to you today, we appreciate the speed as we don’t want to give Marxists loads of doe [sic] for nothing! We all want to go with the scheme and the social housing we have proposed and spent a month at the Marxist town hall debating, thanks again, all my best, Richard.”

Text message from Jenrick: “Richard. As Secretary of State it is important not to give any appearance of being influenced by applicants of cases that I may have a role in or to have predetermined them and so I think it is best that we don’t meet until after the matter has been decided …”

Richard Desmond. Ah, this Richard Desmond, who owns Northern and Shell which was famous amongst other things for it’s portfolio of ‘soft porn’ magazines.

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1. EWI - June 28, 2020

Is it in the national interest to form a coalition based on a big spending programme for government which is simply undeliverable in a global recession?

Given how interest rates have been such that international finance are now paying you to invest their money, it would be criminal negligence to allow another ‘lost generation’.

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2. EWI - June 28, 2020

Text message from Jenrick: “Richard. As Secretary of State it is important not to give any appearance of being influenced by applicants of cases that I may have a role in or to have predetermined them and so I think it is best that we don’t meet until after the matter has been decided …”

I think the horse already has bolted on your career there, mate.

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sonofstan - June 28, 2020

Meanwhile Starmer is more interested in sacking one of his own than calling for the resignation of Jenrick.

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EWI - June 28, 2020

Ecstasy at the Guardian over it:

Starmer’s sacking of Long-Bailey was vital to show that Labour is changing

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/28/starmers-sacking-of-long-bailey-was-vital-to-show-that-labour-is-changing

‘What we’ve learned about Starmer is, if you pick a fight with him, you’ll lose’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/what-weve-learned-about-starmer-is-if-you-pick-a-fight-with-him-youll-lose

As I grow older, the idea of shooting the staffs of useless liberal rags like the Guardian and the IT into the sun (just to be sure) makes ever more sense.

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sonofstan - June 28, 2020

I can’t remember who said that Ralph Miliband argued that Labour could never lead the socialist transformation of Britain and his sons set out to prove it… by analogy, the Guardian has persistently stood for the position that a radically socialist Labour party could never win an election and then makes sure of it by supporting the centre even at the cost of losing an election.

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sonofstan - June 28, 2020
Corto Maltese - June 30, 2020

Get real man. It’s a tactical masterstroke. Punishing the left wing of the party at the behest of the media is always an infallible winning manoeuvre for a Labour leader.
Neil Kinnock would never have won the 1987 and 1992 elections if it hadn’t been for his memorable conference attack on Liverpool Council.

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sonofstan - June 30, 2020

🙂
First as farce, then as farce….

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Corto Maltese - June 30, 2020

I have this terrible premonition of watching the next British election night on BBC and hearing some pundit say, “Well no, Keir Starmer hasn’t won the election. But what he has done, and this is very important, is he’s made Labour electable next time round.”

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WorldbyStorm - June 30, 2020

That’s exactly it. A sort of Kinnock redux. Which if we spin out the timeline leaves us with a Blair like figure (or more Blair like figure) hmmmm… in two or is it three elections?

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sonofstan - June 30, 2020

“Well no, Keir Starmer hasn’t won the election. But what he has done, and this is very important, is he’s made Labour electable next time round.”
Whereas when Corbyn made Labor electable next time round……
What the media here want is an ‘electable’ LP that never gets elected.

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3. Alibaba - June 28, 2020

Mary Lou McDonald is targeted for attention because of ‘not justifying every action’ taken by the IRA “at all at all”. Apparently she said ‘while the armed campaign by the IRA was “justified to take on the British state” in the circumstances of the time, she never wants to go back to that scenario.’

What she says is formally correct. But she uses the excuse of history to avoid dealing with the issue and saying the inconvenient truth: the use of force to stop oppression is legitimate and people living under oppressed regimes have the right to resist and this can involve violence when national self-determination is denied, as it was by reactionary Unionists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0529/1143364-mary-lou-mcdonald/

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4. EWI - June 29, 2020

An appalling display of bullish ignorance in the Irish Times:

Chris Johns: Lesson for second Covid wave is clear – do not shut the economy

Economic lockdown just creates unemployment but does not stop the deaths

One of the criticisms of the UK – and other – government’s response to Covid-19 has been the apparent lack of breadth of the science that is repeatedly invoked to support whatever the authorities are doing. Economists have not unreasonably suggested they should be more involved in policy formulation given their deep domain knowledge of mathematical modelling.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/chris-johns-lesson-for-second-covid-wave-is-clear-do-not-shut-the-economy-1.4290614

Utterly divorced from reality. And the genuflecting to a – social science? – branch of political philosophy? – which is all economics basically is.

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WorldbyStorm - June 29, 2020

Saw that, thought it a very troubling piece.

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CL - June 30, 2020

“Reification (also known as concretism, hypostatization, or the fallacy of misplaced concreteness) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it were a concrete real event or physical entity.[1][2] In other words, it is the error of treating something that is not concrete, such as an idea, as a concrete thing. A common case of reification is the confusion of a model with reality: “the map is not the territory”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)#:~:text=Reification%20(also%20known%20as%20concretism,real%20event%20or%20physical%20entity.

And when that mathematical model is based on an ideological construct called neoclassical economics the result is an economy and an economics in ever-deepening crises.

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CL - June 30, 2020

And nitwits in the Irish Times displaying their ignorance.

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5. tomasoflatharta - June 29, 2020

Sinn Féin Plunkett Devlin Cumann issues public statement attacking nomination of Councillor Paddy Holohan to post of South Dublin County Council Mayor https://twitter.com/DevlinPlunkett/status/1277289620162646023

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Joe - June 30, 2020

First the councillor in Clonakilty leaves the party. Now this. The snowball is starting to roll down the hill.

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tomasoflatharta - June 30, 2020

Hi Joe; do you have more details about a Councillor in Clonakilty who left Sinn Féin?

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Corto Maltese - June 30, 2020

It’s Paul Hayes who stood for the party in the general election and left SF in May.

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