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Interesting phrasing July 14, 2020

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From RTÉ:

The Tánaiste has said he has received an assurance from the Taoiseach that there will not be any more revelations about any more offences involving Mr Cowen that are more serious than the ones we know about.

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1. EWI - July 14, 2020

Will be very interesting to hear what ‘evading arrest’ turns out to be.

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irishelectionliterature - July 14, 2020

Yeah, a Garda doesn’t write that down for the fun of it.

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WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

It’s like you said IEL, it’s really got legs this one.

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sonofstan - July 14, 2020

IEL, you seem to have the inside track on matters FF: is Cowen popular/ feared/ powerful within the party? Would there be fallout if MM sacked him?

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Joe - July 14, 2020

I think yis are being very unfair. Have yis never been driving home of an evening when suddenly you remember you forgot to get the bread and milk? And you remember the Spar you passed by a few miles back down the road? You slow down, you pull in, you try to head back safely to the shop? The fact that there’s a Garda checkpoint coming into view ahead of you is neither here nor there.
Ná tabhair breith ar an gcéad scéal.

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WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

Unless you’re an FF Minister! 🙂

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2. NFB - July 14, 2020

Amazing. Wonder what other skeletons are there?

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3. sonofstan - July 14, 2020

Anyone else here old enough to remember the Hall’s Pictorial Weekly gag about the ‘real taoiseach’?
Because Leo is certainly occupying the role.

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4. Alibaba - July 14, 2020

Leo is throwing shapes:

‘“Really we need to see the outcome of the investigation,” Varadkar said, adding that he sought an assurance from Taoiseach Micheal Martin at the time that there would be no more revelations, before this latest development was revealed on Sunday.’

As is Mary Lou:

https://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-extraordinary-situation-barry-cowen-5149566-Jul2020/

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benmadigan - July 14, 2020

From that journal.ie article:
“I saw the document this morning myself, and I’m glad I saw it, and actually, having seen the document it is not quite as portrayed,” said the Taoiseach.

“He said Cowen is now seeking to correct the record”.
” . .. the Taoiseach stating that he is entitled to seek a correction of that record insofar as he believes it is incorrect”.

Can anybody correct their record because they believe it to be incorrect – like I mean petty criminals, fraudsters, tax evaders, non-TV licence payers, even members of a proscribed organization “on active service”?
Or only Govt Ministers?

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Tomboktu - July 14, 2020

Well, it;s not his record he is seeking to correct, but the record of the Dáil.

And I have seen reports of criminal cases where on conviction, the defendant asks for a number of other offences to be taken into account at sentencing, which seems to me to be a form of correcting the record.

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5. WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

Just thinking about your thoughts, isn’t it remarkable? Here we are – two weeks into the new government, beset first by ambition issues and now by a sort of kind of scandal. You’d have to think FF is just not at the races at the moment. What a way to start. And I think again of your point SoS re the FF mudguard. Difficult not to see it being a very plausible likely phenomenon.

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6. CL - July 14, 2020

FF more than FG has mastered the art of speaking much and saying little.

“For his part, the Taoiseach said he was looking forward to working with Ms Foster, and said he believed he had a “sense of how, from a political perspective, that I can approach the relationship in a respectful way and understanding the challenges Arlene faces obviously as first minister.
“Likewise I hope to get to know Michelle O’Neill better, I’ve already spoken to Michelle, and notwithstanding the political competition or rivalry within the Republic, I’ve made it very clear that will not interfere with my approach as Taoiseach in terms of the implementation of the Good Friday [BELFAST]Agreement and in terms of the working out of the various activities and initiatives that we would like to undertake together.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-warns-against-being-overly-judgemental-of-sf-funeral-attendance-1.4302634

““We’re going to be making a decision on that in the coming days. I’ve written today to the Minister for Health, as I am required to do under the Act, seeking his advice on the matter – does the public health grounds exist for us to extend the eviction ban, and the rent freeze,” said O’Brien.
“If it is extended – and I don’t know whether it is, I want to be very honest with you, I don’t know – we’ve work to do and Cabinet have to meet on this. I wrote today to [the Minister for] Health, I’ve got to get a response, obviously we’ve got to get legal advice and it’s got to be discussed, but we’re acutely aware of the situation,” said the minister.”
https://www.thejournal.ie/rent-freeze-3-5147200-Jul2020/

“He said affordable home targets will be set out in September, with O’Brien acknowledging people need to see delivery from the government.
“It’s all very well talking about it and some of the opposition are great at theorising and talking about delivering but it’s been done before. It will be done. And it will be done by this government, and it’ll be done by me as minister,” he said.

On vulture funds, the minister said cuckoo funds buying up blocks of apartments and renting them out has been a big issue. He said it is impossible for first-time-buyers to compete in a shrunken market against big institutions.

“That’s the reason why I want to focus on the state-led affordable housing scheme, that no vulture fund or cuckoo fund can buy in. That it’s our stuff and it’s our stuff for our people.”
O’Brien said he absolutely does not underestimate the challenge ahead of him, but housing is a priority of the new government.
He said he plans to leave after his term in office with his head held high, having delivered affordable homes and rent for the Irish people.
“We did this before, we can absolutely do this again,” he promised.”
https://www.thejournal.ie/darragh-o-brien-housing-minister-5146915-Jul2020/

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lcox - July 14, 2020

A propos “speaking much and saying little” I once heard Brian Lenihan Sr speak for 45 minutes. It flowed wonderfully and not a single item of substance passed his lips during that time. Truly it was a thing of beauty.

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7. Tomboktu - July 14, 2020

Here’s the other interesting phrasing

Taoiseach tells Dáil garda file on Barry Cowen ‘not quite as portrayed’.

Why did he qualify that with the word “quite”?

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tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

Mr Martin’s statement is not precise. Does the Taoiseach mean his Minister for Agriculture has not portrayed the file accurately? Or does he mean the Sunday Times has not portrayed the file accurately? Also, reflect on what we learned from the Maurice McCabe scandal. Material on McCabe’s file was shown to be false and malicious. Any Garda file could contain allegations which were later proven to be false – and, judging from the McCabe case, there is a possible problem arising from different police officers adding and subtracting material over a long period of time. Questions remain.

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Alibaba - July 14, 2020

Well, assuming it’s not the Dáil record that is in question, I believe ‘not quite as  portrayed’ might provide a convenient technical reason not to correct the ‘incorrect record’. And the other caveat in Journal.ie as mentioned by benmadigan ” … the Taoiseach stating that he is entitled to seek a correction of that record insofar as he believes it is incorrect”.

To challenge the accuracy of the record four years after it was taken and in such a privileged fashion is extremely poor judgement by Cowen. I suspect ways will be found to disappear the correction else fireworks will happen.

Some thoughts come to mind, say, a signature that is unreadable or a file that is incomplete or impressionistic and/or false reporting or a Garda that is no longer with us, or one who is unable or unwilling to give testimony to the accuracy of the record.  Conversations do happen and shut-up ensues

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8. roddy - July 14, 2020

Ah ,”evading checkpoints”.Used to be a fine art up here.FF’ers would be in the hapenny place with regard to the skills required.Honed over the years by thousands of Northern Nationalists.

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9. Tomboktu - July 14, 2020

And he’s gone, just in time for the nine o’clock news.

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10. tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

Yes, Mr Cowen Sacked.

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WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

Bloody hell.

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tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

From the Journal.ie “Earlier today, following those developments Martin confirmed he had seen the document and that “it was not quite as it is portrayed”.
This evening Martin said the garda report “raised additional issues”.
“When he was first confronted with the allegations, Minister Cowen was completely clear and emphatic about his drink driving offence and understood his need to acknowledge this.
“However, he was equally clear and emphatic that one detail of the allegation he was being presented with was completely untrue. Namely that he sought to evade gardaí at the time.
“We’ve had extensive discussions at this point, last evening and again this morning, when he shared with me the actual garda record under dispute.
Following these discussions, and having seen the garda report this morning it was my view that it raised additional issues requiring further explanation and clarification.” https://www.thejournal.ie/barry-cowen-sacked-agriculture-minister-5150343-Jul2020/

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sonofstan - July 14, 2020

Once upon a time you had to import arms or harbour a murderer to get sacked by an FF taoiseach. Decadence, I call it.

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tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

A cynic suggests Dara Calleary a cabinet Minister; should Willie O’Dea have kept the mouth 👄 shut?

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WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

When I first read MM’s comment I thought he meant not as portrayed in the sense of it had been incorrectly conveyed as damaging to Cowen. Presumably though he meant it somewhat differently.

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WorldbyStorm - July 14, 2020

While in no sense diminishing the seriousness of the matter FG and SF must be astounded at all this and how politically fortunate it is for them.

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tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

MM said in the Dáil tonight he gave Cowen space to reflect on their conversation yesterday, when the police file was discussed by the two of them. MM, in other words, wanted Cowen to voluntarily resign. When we all see the contents of this file, the picture will be more clear. On the face of it, Cowen’s recent behaviour was extremely reckless. He may be hard pressed to remain in public life, or in Fianna Fáil. The scéal will continue.

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tomasoflatharta - July 14, 2020

“However, this should not be the end of the matter. Michéal Martin knew about the Garda report referring to Cowen attempting to evade a Garda checkpoint. He knew about it before Cowen made a statement which didn’t make reference to it. He clearly agreed with Cowen that he would not include this very important information. It also part of the reason they voted against having any questions.” – Paul Murphy TD https://tomasoflatharta.wordpress.com/2020/07/14/barry-cowen-sacked-from-fffggg-cabinet-paul-murphy-td-says-taoiseach-martin-knew-about-garda-report-saying-cowen-attempted-to-evade-a-garda-checkpoint/

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11. Alibaba - July 14, 2020

Paul Murphy rightly made Cowen’s stance an issue in the Dáil today. Now Micheál Martin has another enemy on the backbench. Interesting times, indeed.

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