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More that divides them October 30, 2020

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

A most insightful post on 538 about the divisions within the major US political parties can be found here. Two polls, one by the NYT and one by PRRI offer information that suggests the Republicans in particular are divided by the present political dispensation, and sharply so too. To the extent that one has to wonder why they continue as a bloc to support Trump. The PRRI findings can be found here, but here’s a few selections.

Impact of Trump’s Behavior

More than six in ten Americans (63%) believe that Trump has damaged the dignity of the pres-idency, including 27% of Republicans, 68% of independents, and 89% of Democrats. This rep-resents a decrease from the 69% who agreed with this statement in 2018. Republicans who most trust Fox News (9%) are much less likely than those who trust another source most (38%) to agree. More than one in four Americans who plan to vote for Trump (28%) say he has damaged the dignity of the presidency. Almost nine in ten of those who plan to vote for Joe Biden (89%) agree. White evangelical Protestants are the least likely among religious groups to say that Trump has damaged the dignity of the presidency. Just over one-third of this group (36%) agree, and even fewer white evangelical Protestants who identify as Republicans (20%) think Trump has harmed the office of the presidency. Majorities of every other religious group say the current president has indeed damaged the dignity of the office.


More than two-thirds of Americans (68%) wish Trump’s speech and behavior were consistent with those of previous presidents, similar to 2018 (69%) and slightly lower than in 2019 (73%). The par-tisan divide is still wide, but it is notable that close to half of Republicans (46%) wish that Trump would act more like his predecessors. Large majorities of independents (72%) and Democrats (84%) agree. Republicans have become less likely to say this than they were in 2018 (57%). Demo-crats and independents have held steady over time.


A majority of Americans (57%) say Trump’s decisions and behavior as president have encouraged white supremacist groups. This is mostly unchanged since 2019 (57%) and 2018 (54%). A small percentage (7%) say Trump has discouraged white supremacist groups, and 35% say his actions have had no impact either way. Opinions among partisans have been stable on this question. Less than one in five Republicans (18%) say Trump’s behavior has encouraged white supremacist groups, compared to 59% of inde-pendents and 88% of Democrats. Republicans who trust a non–Fox News source most are much more likely than those who trust Fox News most to say Trump has encouraged white supremacist groups (28% vs. 3%). White evangelical Protestants stand out again. Only one in four say Trump has encouraged white supremacist groups (26%), compared to 44% of Hispanic Protestants, 45% of white mainline Prot-estants, and 49% of white Catholics. All other religious groups have majorities who say Trump has encouraged white supremacist groups.

This perhaps is most telling:

Trump vs. Biden Authoritarianism and Moral Character:

What Americans Want to See in Their LeadersA sizable minority of Americans still agree with the statement “Because things have gotten so far off track in this country, we need a leader who is willing to break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right.” More than four in ten mostly or completely agree with the statement (44%), while a majority disagree (55%). These numbers are unchanged from 2016 and 2017. Similar to 2016 and 2017, a majority of Republicans (57%) mostly or strongly agree that we need a leader willing to break some rules, compared to 43% of independents and 36% of Democrats. Republi-cans who trust Fox News most (55%) are not significantly less likely than non–Fox News Republi-cans (60%) to agree with the statement. Similarly, white evangelical Protestant Republicans (55%) are not significantly less likely than other Republicans (59%) to agree.

There’s a lot more. Well worth a read.


1. CL - October 30, 2020

“is there a future in Trumpism? …

In American politics, white nativism and racism tend to rise in conjunction with economic distress. ..

appointees without previous connections to Trump but with deep connections to the Party’s libertarian wing have put in place an enhanced version of the standard Republican program….
The result has been an odd mix of traditional Republican policies and Trumpian rhetorical flourishes….
It’s also hard to tell whether Trump is truly an economic nationalist or merely a crony capitalist….As Trump has outsourced economic policy to the establishment, he has outsourced social policy to the evangelicals…..
Donald Trump is far too bizarre to be precisely replicable as a model for the generic Republican of the future. That raises the question of where the Republican Party will go after he leaves office. ….

A political system with only two parties produces parties with internal contradictions. The five most valuable corporations in America are all West Coast tech companies—enemy territory, in today’s Republican rhetoric. The head of the country’s biggest bank, Jamie Dimon, of JPMorgan Chase, is a Democrat and a Trump critic…..
Trump has already changed the Republican Party. Its most hawkish element—hawkish in the Iraq War sense—has gone underground, if it still exists. The same goes for publicly stated Republican skepticism about Social Security and Medicare. One must be hostile to China, and skeptical, to some degree, of free trade.”

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WorldbyStorm - October 30, 2020

In a weird way it’s almost as if there could be a party between the Republicans and the Democrats – a sort of pro-business, socially liberal, economically conservative one. I know people may say that describes the Democrats but their links to organised labour etc, however residual and tenuous and their left make that more tricky.


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