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Those new indoor dining and drinking regulations… July 26, 2021

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Was actually slightly surprised at how, on paper at least, robust they look. Now, granted I’m not in the market for going indoors before the end of August, but to be honest they seemed a bit more substantial than I’d expected.

No counter service, only 6 adults at tables, masked at all times other than at the tables, contact details of all in attendance taken, designated tables. It seemed, if somewhat of a step in the dark, at least one where there was a degree of oversight.

And then this morning one will read that:

Contact tracing is now only required for the lead person at a table and for solo customers under new updated guidelines, which were agreed last night.

Restaurants Association of Ireland Chief Executive Adrian Cummins said another change is that designated tables have been removed.

“This means businesses don’t have to keep a record of what table a party sat at – we only heard about these updated guidelines through an email at ten past midnight this morning.”

 

And there’s this gem from RTÉ:

Vintners’ Federation of Ireland CEO Padraig Cribben has welcomed the changes that were made to the contact tracing element of the guidelines.

Speaking on the same programme, he said it has been almost 500 days since some businesses were able to open and while there is a lot of relief in the industry, there is also a lot of anxiety.

He urged people to work with publicans and stick to the public health guidelines, and said he did not accept that the spread of Covid-19 over Christmas was as a result of indoor dining and alcohol.

Well some would point to a most interesting article in the IT only a weekend ago about a certain restaurant in Dublin in the run-up to Christmas and how matters proceeded there which suggests that seemingly indoor dining and alcohol was a significant factor if not the only one. 

Quite the experiment they’re running now…. 

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1. NFB - July 26, 2021

That’s a shocking attempt to re-write history, regards Christmas. Make no mistake about it, the constant lobbying of Vintners, combined with constant space in the media to emphasise their claims and complaints, killed a lot of people in the Spring. The buck stops with the government of course, but a lot of responsibility rests elsewhere.

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WorldbyStorm - July 26, 2021

Isn’t it just shocking? I hope it’s noticed by others.

In some ways I think bar Christmas the government has held the line better than I’d have expected. It’s flailing around a bit now. Not sure where things go. The North and the figures there aren’t comforting in a way. And yet clearly the situation has changed in many many ways.

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2. EWI - July 26, 2021

Contact details requirement removed at last minute, apparently.

In other news, Govt (Varadkar and Fraser) looking to exclude people not specifically hospitalised for Covid from the daily figures (next move will be trying to shave Covid-related deaths?).

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WorldbyStorm - July 26, 2021

Big time. And so it goes on.

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WorldbyStorm - July 26, 2021

And of course it makes no difference at all in relation to blocking treatment of other people who should be in hospital (or ICU) with unrelated ailments simply to downplay the reality that Covid is a significant factor in why someone wound up in hospital.

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Bagatelle's Unblinded Teamsters - July 26, 2021

+1

Is there any debate left on the observation that the aforementioned people are sociopaths?

Oh and welcome to our next super-spreader event, in two weeks watch as the case numbers go vertical.

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EWI - July 26, 2021

Is there any debate left on the observation that the aforementioned people are sociopaths?

Varadkar (and Martin) are unfortunately par for the course in the Irish political system rights now.

But the importation of external rightwing ideologues like Watts and Fraser into the top of the civil service is something new (a cynic might say that they’re running out of ultra-conservative Catholic types to fill those posts with, given the age profile of such).

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3. rockroots - July 26, 2021

I don’t expect anyone will agree with me, as I’m probably overthinking it, but I’ve always been very uneasy about eating in restaurants with table service, especially upmarket ones. Something about the power dynamic that goes on where diners seem to expect the waiting staff to be compliant and subservient. Some folks enjoy channelling their inner aristocrat for a few hours. I’ve seen otherwise decent people (relatives, no less) talk to waiters in a manner that they wouldn’t dream of outside the premises. And if I’d complained about my chips not being hot enough growing up I’d have justifyably gotten a clip around the ear. I’d be more comfortable in an establishment where waiters could tell customers to cop on and stop being a diva. But, yeah, I’m not hurrying back to indoor ‘hospitality’.

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EWI - July 26, 2021

Some folks enjoy channelling their inner aristocrat for a few hours. I’ve seen otherwise decent people (relatives, no less) talk to waiters in a manner that they wouldn’t dream of outside the premises.

I have close relatives, whom I’ve avoided since reaching adulthood, who (despite being unrefined culchies) absolutely channel this energy.

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WorldbyStorm - July 26, 2021

I’ve seen it too rockrocks. A very close relative was grim – particularly with female staff. I figured it was literally the thing of a captive audience. They have to laugh, they have to find the jokes or whatever okay, so some abuse that. I know what you mean too re table service, though, it depends, in somewhere like Spain I’ve found staff more than willing to hold their own. Reminds me, I was in Barcelona once, in a place a few streets back from the tourist haunts, a brilliant Italian themed spot kind of a step up from a greasy spoon inhabited by locals for the most part. Someone asked them did they have decaf coffee to which the answer came, ‘This is Barcelona, of course we’ve got decaf coffee’. Weren’t being rude, just a statement of fact.

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Bagatelle's Unciformed Taverners - July 27, 2021

+1

I do not understand people who are rude to those serving you your food. Purely from the self-serving perspective that they are giving you something you are going to put into your body and have access to it out of your sight. It just seems really, really, really shortsighted in the extreme.

As long as I’ve been able to afford eating out I’ve always tipped more than the recommended amount and always treat the wait staff with respect and courtesy because it’s a hard job and they have enough jerks to put up with. Something myself and herself have always been in complete alignment.

Again, I just do not comprehend the person who is rude to the staff. Total dick move and a definite disqualifier from continued friendship and/or courtship, although now that I think on it I’ve never eaten out with a friend or date that was rude to staff.

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Tomboktu - July 26, 2021

In the now-closed (and missed) Gruel on Dame Street, Dublin, I witnessed the head waiter remove the plate of unfinished food from a diner and instruct her to leave immediately, and not stop to pay, because she had been extremely rude to a member of staff who had taken the carafe of water to top it up.

She had been rude when the carafe was first taken away, and that could have been clumsiness in the moment, but the sustained “cross-examination” when a minute later it was brought back topped up exposed her behaviour as beyond rude.

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oliverbohs - July 26, 2021

Been there. As a witness, watching a fellow diner lash a waiter out of it for bad service. Sins of omission in just watching the scene get quite uncomfortable, but not doing anything about it. It’s all I remember from that evening. And I kinda get why somewhere like Nando’s is popular, if u can cut out the chance of discomfiting scenes like that by fetching your food yourself. I could bring a few regular contributors to this blog out to Nando’s myself for receiving a euro every time I’ve read some columnist or heard some radio presenter or disc jockey opine about Irish people’s congenital inability to complain in restaurants properly…

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4. sonofstan - July 26, 2021

Plus whatever to all of the above.
Anyone who is rude to waiting staff is up there with anti-vaxxers and Tories in my book.

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5. NFB - July 27, 2021

Treating waiting staff badly is a major character flaw in my eyes, and certainly has coloured my opinion of people I would otherwise describe as normal.

But I do think perfectly understandable revulsion of talking down to waiting staff might contribute to what seems to me a very Irish practise of refusing to complain in restaurants when service is poor or the food bad. Most of us wouldn’t want to be perceived as being one of those people. There’s a nice middle ground there that it would be nice to be in, though for me it usually goes no further then just not going back to the place.

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WorldbyStorm - July 27, 2021

Yeah, the worst experience of bad food I ever had was in a place in Co. Galway about eight years ago. Stopped into a bar for lunch and got a chowder. Now, I don’t know what was in it even at this remove – let’s just say there was no fish as such, but there were tiny tentacles, perhaps flakes of fish flesh, something that might once have been a mussel, etc and all of it black and gritty. Somewhere along the line it had made its acquaintance with a tin of tomatoes too. It was genuinely inedible with an interesting but not too interesting chemical taste from the one or two spoons I managed. I’m not one for complaining, I tend to prefer to fade away quietly and get out, but we were hungry and tired and one of the people I was with was a Home Economics teacher who rightly took no shit – asked for the manager, no manager on site, it had been left to a bunch of people average age perhaps 19 to look after the place. But my friend was firm, but very clear and emphatic in stating how this wasn’t good enough and they shouldn’t be charging people for it. And she was spot on. There was no insults, no hissy fits, just a very calm statement of fact. I don’t know if that message ever went up the line but we were reimbursed for the food.

Second worst was in Paris a few years back where got served chicken breast which wasn’t cooked. Two of us at the table out of three were given the same less than delicious dish.

After that if it’s halfway edible I’ll eat it. There’s been poor food, over priced food but very little I could say was inedible.

Service is a different matter, some terrible terrible service over the years. A lot of that is down to understaffing or overworked staff which I’ll always make an allowance for those individuals but their managers are terrible. Here and there staff who aren’t great but that’s unusual.

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Alibaba - July 27, 2021

+ 1

I do recall being a forceful complainant. It happened in a fancy restaurant at a special family event when a dear but dementia afflicted relative requested eggs and chips, and runny eggs no less. A sneering waiter informed us this wasn’t on the menu. I can’t remember my exact response though I threatened to go over his head and demanded an effort to facilitate us. Fortunately, we were well looked after then, even though my Dad was somewhat miffed, until the arrival of free second helpings all round, some of which were bagged for my relative’s beloved dog.

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WorldbyStorm - July 27, 2021

This reminds me of an older relative who went to the Ivy just after it opened. I think it was an event for them, an 80th birthday or something, and they asked would it be possible to get another small serving of something that they were given – can’t remember what it was, but could have been a very small scoop of ice cream, that sort of a thing. ‘No’ came the answer. And I don’t know, on the one hand a restaurant can do what it likes, even the Ivy (though many of us have been very close to but not inside it over recent years!). On the other hand it just seemed sort of mean spirited.

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sonofstan - July 27, 2021

In other parts of the world, it often feels as if the menu is just a starting point for negotiation, whereas in a lot of Irish – and to be fair, English as well – places, it’s a legal contract.

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sonofstan - July 27, 2021

“it had been left to a bunch of people average age perhaps 19 to look after the place”

This is often the problem isn’t it? It’s not treated as a skilled job, but as something that can be left to untrained students.

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WorldbyStorm - July 27, 2021

Yeah, exactly. You got to wonder about how food hygiene levels don’t dip alarmingly.

Speaking of that chowder I’ve been wracking my mind as to what was in it. Thinking about it I suspect it was a tomato soup base with sardine thrown in – hence the gritty flaky, coiled stuff. Mmmmm….mmmm…

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