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That Armagh church service…the IT cannot let it go… October 21, 2021

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Had to smile at this, the IT which has made a such a meal of the Armagh Church Service currently has this on its front page online… just in case, y’know, we didn’t get how important this is to the IT!

It even gives us a list of everyone in attendance –

It is going ahead without the heads of state of either the Republic of Ireland or the United Kingdom, who the organisers had hoped would attend the service.

Queen Elizabeth was due to be present but cancelled her visit to Northern Ireland on Wednesday on medical advice.

Last month, there was controversy over the decision by President Michael D Higgins to decline an invitation to the event.

No, really? Could any reader of the IT not be aware of this supposed ‘controversy’?

 

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1. EWI - October 21, 2021

Gotta really wonder what the political aim here is. Their very similar campaign of manufactured outrage on the RIC business last year has gone nowhere so far; maybe it’s really just intended as political cover for the IT’s doyen against ‘populist’ republicanism, i.e. the current leader of FF? Or maybe with an eye to pro-Treaty revisionist narratives around upcoming 1921-22 anniversaries?

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WorldbyStorm - October 21, 2021

It feels almost reflexive, rather like the covid-sub sceptic stuff. They do it because they are being contrarian, many of them hold these views sort of unthinkingly to begin with etc, etc. Perhaps part of it is to try to stymie SF, but I suspect there’s no great project there becuase there’s no great project that would actually work or not in respect of that. They do it because they can.

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EWI - October 21, 2021

There may be something to that. Actually, also calls to mind their whole (again) manufactured campaign over the Shelbourne statues business.

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Klassenkampf Treehugger - October 21, 2021

That’s interesting – about the covid ‘sceptic’ stuff. I haven’t read the IT in ages – it increasingly stimulated my gag reflex.

Interesting, because regional papers (and the IT should be considered a regional greater Dublin paper) – here in Germany have also been churning out the ‘two sides of the argument’ bullshit (mirroring the ‘debate’ about anthropogenic climate catastrophe from the 1980s to the 2010s) about Covid and the vaccinations that protects us all against it.

Is this ideological embrace of loud ressentiments a symptom of the near-death of smaller distribution print papers?

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EWI - October 21, 2021

Is this ideological embrace of loud ressentiments a symptom of the near-death of smaller distribution print papers?

It might a symptom of the lack of alternative voices, for sure. I saw someone on Twitter the other day lamenting that the Guardian could be as pro-Unionist as it liked on coverage of Ireland, because where else were readers going to go?

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WorldbyStorm - October 21, 2021

EWI, that’s a great example which I hadn’t thought to put in that continuum, but the Shelbourne one was absolutely reactive. Just no thought behind it at all. Let’s just pile in without any historical, cultural or other considerations. BTW that’s an interesting point too re the Guardian and unionism. It’s not so much that it’s unoinist (though in a Scottish sense I think it is) so much as averse to Republicanism in Ireland).

Wow, that’s depressing KT re the regional papers and ‘both sides-ism’ about the vaccines. I think you’re right, they want to build profile, and I wonder even despite the very small numbers (at least in Ireland) who hold these views they think, ‘well those people care enough to do x y and z, maybe they’ll buy a paper’.

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EWI - October 21, 2021

BTW that’s an interesting point too re the Guardian and unionism. It’s not so much that it’s unoinist (though in a Scottish sense I think it is) so much as averse to Republicanism in Ireland).

I agree. We’re really talking about one specific person here (though I still hold to the argument that there is a ‘liberal’ anti-Irish Catholic tradition alive and well).

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Klassenkampf Treehugger - October 21, 2021

‘maybe they’ll buy a paper’. Exactly.

You put it better than I did. They are so desperate for readership that they’ll go for membership of whatever large Telegram group you can think of.

And the regional press very often represents the interests of the small and not so small businesses that advertise in them. Among that clientel there were a good few imagined that capital accumulation at their level could and should continue as before regardless of whatever happened in the pandemic.

And that despite a pretty generous level of support going straight to businesses from the German authorities. With the proviso that the businesses continued to keep workers on their books.

Large sections of the capitalist class are strategically idiotic, even when the state is offering to save their bacon. But ’twas ever thus.

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2. Jim Monaghan - October 21, 2021
Wes Ferry - October 21, 2021

+1 re Brian Hanley in the Guardian (Jim’s link didn’t work for me so I’ve added it again just in case . . .)

[President] Higgins has notably reflected on the issues of imperialism and power at several key stages during the Decade of Centenaries. He has noted how many who critique the contradictions of Irish nationalism have tended to ignore the role of British imperialism in Irish history. By puncturing the consensus around shared history, he has actually performed a service to those of us seeking an honest debate about events a century ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/21/ireland-britain-armagh-service-partition

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Klassenkampf Treehugger - October 21, 2021

I thought Brian’s piece was excellent as well.

Shame we don’t here more from him in the larger newspapers.

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EWI - October 21, 2021

Shame we don’t here more from him in the larger newspapers.

The Irish Times opinion piece today on this cursed affair was by their resident Portadown bad-faith argumenter

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3. Wes Ferry - October 21, 2021

Interesting in that *not one* of the British royal family amongst all those princes, princesses, etc, felt it important enough to stand in for Queen Elizabeth (God Save the Sick Note) at the church service for loyal Ulster. All of them busy visiting pork pie factories or similar?

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6to5against - October 21, 2021

perhaps they were at the opening of a credit union somewhere…..

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6to5against - October 21, 2021

…are there credit unions in the UK? Are they everywhere? I’ve never wondered before….

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WorldbyStorm - October 21, 2021

That’s an interesting question. I’ve always assumed so. Until two minutes ago 🙂 But… this is fascinating:

https://www.capitalcreditunion.com/about_us/the_credit_union_movement

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6to5against - October 21, 2021

Thanks WBS. That’s really interesting. And surprising.

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Paul Culloty - October 21, 2021

Particularly so when actual co-ops are far more widespread in the UK.

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Fergal - October 21, 2021

Plus the Cooperative Bank which is have around 300,000 members(?)…
The irony is that coops were basically born in Britain…. Rochdale pioneers in the 1840… and other countries end up with more cooperatives than Britain … huge strength of credit union movement here, around 40% of housing in Denmark is owned cooperatively, a third of Emilia-Romagna’s GDP comes from coops, Mondragon Coop complex in the Basque country
Coops are examples of socialism that actually works… hasn’t collapsed, owned and run by their members/workers…

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4. crocodileshoes - October 21, 2021

Does the IT sell more in the north than the Indo or the Examiner?

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5. Paul Culloty - October 21, 2021

Impressive that Coleman and Kelly manage to discuss the commemoration without mentioning Brexit:

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EWI - October 21, 2021

It’s weird how aligned in lockstep the FG proxies are on this.

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6. EWI - October 21, 2021

All of the worst people enthused about this event.

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Wes Ferry - October 22, 2021

I suspect that “history” will barely register the partition church service.

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6to5against - October 22, 2021

I think that’s an important point, Wes. One that the Irish media deliberately miss. History is not going to care about this service because outside of the few hundred people who attended the service, nobody even cares now.

Even the media figures who have made such a meal of it are only engaging as recreational outrage. Not one of them is at all troubled by this issue.

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Paul Culloty - October 22, 2021

He is now leaving Twitter over “vitriolic attacks” after being called out for a fairly dogwhistle reply to Dr Umar Al-Qadri, who had commented that only Christian church leaders had been invited.

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WorldbyStorm - October 22, 2021

That alone says it all re that service. Ffs it’s 2021 and they didn’t invite Muslim religious leaders or presumably Jewish either. Good on Dr Umar Al-Qadri for pointing that out.

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