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What you want to say – 22nd June 2022 June 22, 2022

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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”.

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1. tomasoflatharta - June 22, 2022

In Ireland – especially during the dark days of the anti-abortion 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution (1983-2018) – women had to travel abroad to get an abortion. In Ukraine today, many women raped by invading Russian soldiers flee to Poland where they cannot get an abortion.

The left-wing party Razem is proposing legislation in the parliament to end the abortion ban in Poland. We must extend solidarity and support.

Legal Abortion in Poland Now – Dublin Protest, Polish Embassy Office, 4-8 Eden Quay, Thursday June 23, 1.00pm

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2. Paul Culloty - June 22, 2022

Italy’s Five Star Movement, which began as a populist catch-all grouping without any clear ideological position, has imploded as the strains of being a governing party have forced it to debate principles. One of the original founders, Luigi di Maio, who wanted to move to the centre, has now left to form his own party, after falling out with Giuseppe Conte, who ironically has moved from the centre to the left:

Unfortunately, the upshot is that Giorgia Meloni, the leader of the former neofascists Fratelli d’Italia is now virtually certain to form a coalition with Salvini’s Lega and Berlusconi’s Forza Italia next year.

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3. Tomboktu - June 22, 2022

Am I right in thinking that the Irish Labour Party no longer has affiliated trade unions?

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WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Ireland)#Affiliates

According to this, seven unions:
1) Munster & District Graphical Society
2) Fórsa (Municipal Employees Division)
3) National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT)
4) General, Municipal and Boilermakers’ Union (GMB)
5) Services, Industrial, Professional and Technical Union (SIPTU)
6) Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union (BFWAU)
7) Transport Salaried Staffs Association (TSSA)

Can that be right?

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Wes Ferry - June 22, 2022

RMT in Britain isn’t affiliated to UK Labour.

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Tomboktu - June 23, 2022

That explains something. Fórsa has separate divisions for municipal employees and for local government. It has only six divisions, so the separation of municipal and local government seemed illogical, particularly as they meet as a single division in conference. But if one of the former unions had been affiliated and the other hadn’t then it makes sense to keep them as two divisions in the merged union.

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WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2022

I’m like yourself, amazed unions are signed up to the lp.

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Tomboktu - June 23, 2022

I’d say it’s inertia. There was a time when it would make perfect sense — Labour was founded as a political party for the ICTU, after all. Now, I’d say the continued affiliation at the least is because it’s easier to keep doing what we’ve always done, and could well more substantially be because some key figures want it and anybody opposing it would need to put in a body of work to successfully challenge them.

I couldn’t find anything on the Labour website about affiliated unions, and the party’s constitution doesn’t seem to have a role for unions as affiliates.

There is a section within they party for members who are also members of a union, but that’s not the same. First, it’s a section, alongside Labour Youth and Labour’s lgbt group, second, it’s individual party members, not unions per se, that are members of the section, and third, members of the section are not required to be members of affiliated unions.

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4. roddy - June 22, 2022

Just seen someone on Twitter say “Mick Lynch has just persuaded me to go on strike and I work for myself”!

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5. Michael Carley - June 23, 2022

Mick Lynch doing the lord’s work.

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6. Tomboktu - June 23, 2022

I don’t know what the “official” CLR line is on The Beacon (the website, not the hospital) but this piece by Izzy Kamikaze about how Liveline failed to correctly report key facts in its recent series of programmes on trans people is worth a read.

LiveLyin: How RTÉ’s Liveline promoted a campaign of anti-trans lies

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WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2022

Good article.

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sobriquet90 - June 23, 2022

are there issues with d’Beacon?

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WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2022

I was wondering

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banjoagbeanjoe - June 23, 2022

I don’t know what the “official” CLR line is on…

But the CLR doesn’t do “official lines” on anything does it? It’s a forum for a range of views and for discussion.

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WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2022

That’s sort of my view. And where posts take a direction it’s for others to agree or disagree

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yourcousin - June 23, 2022

Hold on, there is an official CLR line on Budweiser, it’s union made and the only monarchy we support. I’m sorry if folks were under the impression that this was up for debate. That and opinions on Johnny Cash. Everything else is fair game.

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Michael Carley - June 23, 2022

The official CLR line on matters gargle-related was established here, I think:

What you want to say – 16th December 2015

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Tomboktu - June 24, 2022

Point taken, but for clarity, we have deleted comments because they have crossed lines.

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WorldbyStorm - June 24, 2022

Yeah, that’s true Tomboktu. Anyhow the Beacon seems grand, and IK’s article I liked. It was very enlightening to see the money angle.

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sobriquet90 - June 24, 2022

If there is an issue to be had with d’Beacon I’d put it down to maybe… some of the class and political intuitions of those most involved with it. Broadly left and liberal aligned but maybe lacking a bit in class consciousness and it’s political approaches to the state. It would remind me a bit of some of the criticisms of Searchlight and HNH that have been had over the years- overall some very worthwhile work, but bounded by their academic/journalistic nature and oft-times co-operation with some deeper elements of the State.

I get wary when groups advocate for legislative curbing of far-right political groups, as this also will surely be used against the left. Anti-fascism is best served from. the bottom up, and spread out across communities.

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WorldbyStorm - June 24, 2022

That’s a useful critique. I guess multi stranded is my feeling about this in the sense there will be more ‘active’ and less active approaches to anti fascism and they’re all going to manifest whatever we do so I think your analysis is v important to keep in mind in relation. to the less active ones – they said IK does seem to walk the walk

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7. Tomboktu - June 23, 2022

How did I miss this

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8. Tomboktu - June 23, 2022

The Journal reports that today’s census figure means there must be at least 171 TDs in the next Dáil.

Any party that doesn’t get an extra seat or two with 11 extra available should probably just pack up and join the PDs in the history books.

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WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2022

171. Bloody hell. That’s going to be a big Dáil.

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Wes Ferry - June 26, 2022

But they’re seldom all in the chamber and a bigger Dáil might compel some reform of archaic hangovers in customs and the way it works (or doesn’t work).

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WorldbyStorm - June 26, 2022

+1

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Tomboktu - June 26, 2022

How much more redesign can the chamber take? For the grand occasions and for votes, front benchers now sit in the row of collapsible seats down on the lowest floor level (and pull up a console from the arm rest to vote).

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WorldbyStorm - June 26, 2022

Yeah, exactly. It’s getting to be very cramped.

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9. Blade Sprinter - June 24, 2022

The Boys – Herogasm – I cannot believe they did it.

How did the extreme that horrified us in Halloween, Nightmare on Elm St in the 80s are now the fodder of humour in the 20s?

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WorldbyStorm - June 24, 2022

It sounds… different.

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10. sobriquet90 - June 24, 2022

Picked up a copy of Workshop Talks today in the second-hand bookshop, published by Saor Eire Press. Have a good few of the Cork Workers Club pamphlets but first time seeing an SE one.

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11. Tomboktu - June 25, 2022

Based on a scientific sample of 1, I can report that Dublin street sellers start calling out their wares — in this case, “anyone there for the ranbow colours” — to passers by at 8.45 on a Saturday.

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roddy - June 25, 2022

Derry v Clare at Croke park today.What time do the Jackeens start their “car minding ” service? (Jackeen dons “official” looking cap,directs Culchie into side street where he will “mind” car. Money changes hands and when Culchie returns to car post match,”minder” has inevitably ended his shift early!!)

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Tomboktu - June 25, 2022

Added bonus, Roddy: the Dublin Pridep parade is on today, not only adding to traffic, but also closing roads and junctions.

(My bus this morning was diverted into rather than away from and around the area where the parade will affect.

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13. roddy - June 25, 2022

Roddy will be watching the match from the tranquility of his humble abode!

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banjoagbeanjoe - June 25, 2022

Roddy. Assuming the Oak Leaf prevails today. If you or anyone belonging to you is coming down to Croker for the semi final or final and you’re stuck for a parking spot, let me know. We’re literally where the Derry road hits the canal or thereabouts, a short walk from Croker, and we can fix up a parking spot for one anyway.

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roddy - June 26, 2022

Thanks Joe but due to underlying health issues ,I’m still avoiding large crowds for fear of Covid.Despite what the media depicts Covid is still rife and is rising again. I’m able to go about my every day business without any bother but Covid would still be risky.Therefore I will be following Derry’s progress via RTE and to quote General Melchett from “Blackadder” – “I’ll be sitting this one out like the fat wheezy boy with a note from Matron”!

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WorldbyStorm - June 26, 2022

🙂

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14. banjoagbeanjoe - June 25, 2022

Mick Lynch of RMT union on RTÉ Radio 1, Brendan O’Connor show, this morning. What a great bloke!
Interviewer asked him about RMT supporting Brexit (in fairness, the interviewer told him that loads of people were texting in saying Mick Lynch was great but why did RMT support Brexit).
He said that it’s baked into the EU constitution that everything – healthcare, transport etc etc – has to be subject to market forces. Or somesuch. So he said Corbyn’s Labour manifesto wouldn’t be allowed by the EU. Is this true, is this the case?

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

Not exactly – there lots of ways around it – for example there are state rail networks in Spain etc which aren’t going to be privatised – municipal and other forms of ownership which can be used in other instances . I think there is an exaggeration of the proscriptive aspects of the constitution (which doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be pushed back against and hard) but in practice the status quo ante would remain.

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

Here’s one I did earlier…

State aid and nationalisation in the EU

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banjoagbeanjoe - June 25, 2022

Thanks. There’s lots of ways aroud it… I think that’s key. People can overegg the EU’s powers – if a government wants to go a different way, it can find a way.
Thing is too… for the RMT and other Lexiteers, it’s not as if this British government or a Starmer Labour government aren’t going to be pushing privatisation as much if not more than the EU would.

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

+1

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15. banjoagbeanjoe - June 25, 2022

PS. Anyone got Mick Lynch’s contact details? Maybe send him a link to https://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2019/07/17/state-aid-and-nationalisation-in-the-eu/?

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16. sonofstan - June 25, 2022

I swear to God…if we on the CLR invented Mick Lynch, they’d never believe us. Just listened to a profile on R4 – he’s a veggie, history nut and (WbS, maybe you might need to sit down) a big Three Johns fan. Really.

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

He’s great. And in any event Brexit is done so that issue is broadly off the table for a generation.

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Fergal - June 25, 2022

Anybody here know a Mick Lynch in real life?
I do… goes by Mike😂
Anybody else?

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banjoagbeanjoe - June 25, 2022

Ha! Yes. Mick Lynch. A mate from teenage years. Lost touch in recent times. But still have his number in my phone. Not a union man though 😦

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sonofstan - June 25, 2022

I knew Mick Lynch from Stump slightly, and another one as well, but not currently.

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

Sadly not 🤣

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17. Tomboktu - June 25, 2022

An interesting point about today’s poll

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WorldbyStorm - June 25, 2022

Another poll! Still interesting

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18. That latest poll | The Cedar Lounge Revolution - June 25, 2022

[…] As Tomboktu notes – “An interesting point about today’s poll” […]

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19. Tomboktu - June 25, 2022

A mixed marriage, indeed

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roddy - June 25, 2022

Dev’s Ireland personified but Im going to whisper this -” Is’nt it feckin great all the same”!

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20. yourcousin - June 27, 2022

Just an FYI, GO AVS!!!!!

(That’s hockey for you uninitiated)

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Liberius - June 27, 2022

Vive le Québec Nordiques libre!

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21. Tomboktu - June 27, 2022

sufferin’ Moses, did they not think they’d be rumbled?

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WorldbyStorm - June 27, 2022

That is unbelievable even by the lights of the source.

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22. Paul Culloty - June 27, 2022

The number of Britons acquiring Irish citizenship by naturalisation has increased from 54 in 2016 to 1,191 last year – perhaps the bigger surprise is that applications from Poles and Nigerians have fallen significantly, when they require the status for voting rights, among other benefits:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/06/27/applications-from-britons-for-irish-citizenship-soaring-since-brexit/

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23. Tomboktu - August 6, 2022

I’ve been traveling by train from Dublin to Belfast once a week for nearly two years, and I am still surprised at how often it is possible to make the north-bound journey without your ticket being checked.

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Tomboktu - August 6, 2022

Well, today for the first time in she there was a ticket check in the train, but it was so cursory that I could have been showing her an old ticket.

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WorldbyStorm - August 6, 2022

Things returning to more normal so. That said I was in Raheny library. Interesting how many were masked up there.

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