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What you want to say – 7th December 2022 December 7, 2022

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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. NFB - December 7, 2022

Something I noted in raiding up on all things World Cup recently, is this almost ghoulish focus in on certain players by media, none more so than Cristiano Ronaldo. In a comment on a MBM on The Guardian yesterday, amid all of the schednfreude about him being dropped, one person made the very reasonable statement that his loss of form was probably connected to losing a child earlier this year.

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NFB - December 7, 2022

Sorry, hit enter too quick. Meant to say:

Something I noted in reading up on all things World Cup recently, is this almost ghoulish focus in on certain players by media, none more so than Cristiano Ronaldo. In a comment on a MBM on The Guardian yesterday, amid all of the schadenfreude about him being dropped, one person made the very reasonable statement that his loss of form was probably connected to losing a child earlier this year, and this was treated by others as something they had to be actively reminded about. It just wasn’t part of the narrative.

I think this is a real problem with thee individual talismans and the media, where those things outside of their apparent reason for existing – tin this case as a footballer – are ignored entirely unless it drives up clicks, and private tragedy doesn’t do that in this case. It reminds me a lot of Zach and Deborah Snyder, the director/producer couple who dropped out of the Justice League after losing a daughter to suicide, and how in subsequent commentary on that film, including a seemingly endless series of “dunks” on Youtube and various podcasts, this bit of info was completely ignored. When did narratives start cutting out that kind of stuff?

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WorldbyStorm - December 7, 2022

Because it humanises people? Easier to give out about Justice League or whatever with zero context about the actual human beings involved. And also perhaps people shy away from this sort of reality? It’s show business and the cosmetic facade is easier to present if it doesn’t engage with those realities?

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2. Gearóid Clár - December 7, 2022

“Lots of cards on lots of tables”

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WorldbyStorm - December 7, 2022

Wow. Talk about a blatant attempt to coordinate a social media response, but to do so so obviously badly. Who is behind this, the Tories or some other group aligned with them?

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Gearóid Clár - December 7, 2022

Not sure – I just saw the blowback against it this morning in a few places!

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WorldbyStorm - December 7, 2022

I’d love to know. It’s hilarious isn’t it? Though the underlying politics behind it…

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LMS - December 11, 2022

Sometimes these things can be a copypasta as well – where people copy and paste the original post to take the piss out of it.

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3. Paul Culloty - December 7, 2022

The TG4 documentary tonight on the Dunmanway killings sounds interesting, though one wouldn’t expect it to resolve the controversy over the motivation.

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4. Liberius - December 7, 2022

Europe’s politicians have now grasped that. In the era of a new great-power conflict, there is little room for regulatory considerations and the interests of the Europeans. As such, their reactions fluctuate between cautious criticism, overzealous adaptation and attempts to minimize collateral damage.

The government of the Netherlands, which has been negotiating with the White House on ASML exports for years, is still quite clear. “The Netherlands will not copy the American measures one-to-one,” Commerce Minister Liesje Schreinemacher recently assured. Washington cannot “simply impose such changes on her government,” she said.

Talk is cheap though, more concrete action would be nice to see, I don’t think threatening export bans on the ASML lithography machines Intel have on order would be a bad idea, they need them to regain ground in the fabrication business. Along with that a recognition that Europe needs its own semi-conductor industry supported rather than continuing with a laissez-faire approach of agreeing to the lowest bidder for contracts rather than the one with the best strategic value to Europe.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/friends-or-frenemies-significant-trans-atlantic-divides-emerge-in-global-chip-war-a-07691dcb-b705-43f7-90f7-132c72e6a836

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5. Tomboktu - December 8, 2022

Oh dear

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6. sonofstan - December 8, 2022

Student feedback, from one of the relatively few northern students here:’ the one thing that shocked me about uni life was realising how rich some people are’. Broadens the mind, does education.

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Michael Carley - December 8, 2022

I remember thinking that, and wondering at what some people considered normal or standard.

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sonofstan - December 8, 2022

Yeah, I remember it too. Rang a very large bell.

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 8, 2022

‘northern students’. From the northern parts of the island of Ireland or the northern parts of the island of Britain?

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yourcousin - December 8, 2022

Guessing northern England. Still wish the NIP was an actual thing. They had me at the dog.

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sonofstan - December 8, 2022

The north of England. Which is really the middle. ‘Oop north’ is mostly the same latitude as Dublin.

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 9, 2022

So you’re in Leeds in a third level institution and there’s relatively few ‘northern’ students? Is Leeds not in ‘the north’? Do students come up from the wealthy south to study in the north? I’m confused!

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sonofstan - December 9, 2022

Yes they do, and in large numbers: it’s almost colonial, the carelessly privileged way the Toby’s and Alicia’s take over the place. I notice a northern accent in a classroom precisely because of its relative rarity.

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sonofstan - December 9, 2022

Apologies for the misplaced apostrophes.

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 9, 2022

Wow. It’s a complex place and society, England.

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sonofstan - December 9, 2022

Starmer is a graduate of here, and none more London…and apparently he was here yesterday in almost total secrecy to open a building.

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7. banjoagbeanjoe - December 8, 2022

Saw an ad for Cllr Micheál MacDonncha in the Dublin Gazette, a freesheet. No mention of SF in the ad, no name, no logo. He was wearing an Easter lily in the photo.
He hasn’t gone indo has he?
Nah, his FB page is all SF and up to the minute. Strange though that the ad in the paper was as it was.

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arscáthachéile - December 8, 2022

Please tell me lily wasn’t of the adhesive variety!

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 8, 2022

🙂 🙂 :). Nah.
Just musing though. I saw a report on Facebook of a ceremony in Finglas for the four executed 100 years ago. Ceremony run by this Dublin Independent Republicans group. They said three “republican Dublin city councillors” were in attendance. But didn’t name them.

I need a lift. A few “republican” splitters from SF would cheer me up no end.

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roddy - December 9, 2022

One of the ” republican Dublin city councillors” was Ciaran Perry.If you want “cheered up” Joe ,we’ll send you down a few of the small handful of “republican” splitters who sit on councils up here and I can assure you that your “cheer” will dissipate very quickly! I can assure you nice people they are not.

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 9, 2022

Cheers Roddy. You’re right. If I was a grown-up, decent SF TDs and councillors, of which there are very very many, should cheer me up and not some loose canon splitters. But a lot of the time I’m not a grown-up, more like a spoilt child.

I first came across Cllr MacDonncha in Kilbarrack in the late eighties. There was a meeting about a campaign against the Single European Act if memory serves. Talking about a joint broad left campaign. I think we sticks didn’t go any further with it prob because PSF were going to be involved. So Cllr MacDonncha has a lifetime of involvement and commitment to the republican movement. So if he did exit SF, it would be a shock and a blow and a disappointment for SF but it wouldn’t stop their onward march to government or a UI or wherever they’re marching. I’m sure he’s not going to exit SF, just I was struck by that ad with no mention of SF not even an SF logo, it didn’t seem the kind of thing that a loyal and long-term committed SFer like him would do. Maybe it was an intern in the office, always handy to blame them 🙂

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8. yourcousin - December 8, 2022

Worth a listen. Circumstances have not let me listen to the whole thing in peace, but worth it.

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9. yourcousin - December 8, 2022

Although a couple of things.

I loved the fact (which I had missed) that Tone went to America. FYI for some some folks (Liberius looking your way) he hated us.

Also reflecting that so far the conversation has been entirely devoid of mention of the Catholic Defenders. Like you just a field a force of 200,000 with disgruntled “Protestant” elites 🙄

I would love to say more to come later, but that would imply promises that I know I’ll be unable to keep, but here’s hoping 🤞🏻

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 9, 2022

he hated us

But you weren’t part of the us at that time son. You were over by the Danube or somewhere. Us then was what?, mostly recent enough arrivals from Britain, some Dutch and others?

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yourcousin - December 9, 2022

That is true vis a vis my family, but somehow I don’t think it would cut it for me to say to folks, “well yes I’m an American, but we showed up post civil war, so not my fault” 🤷‍♂️.

So for better or worse (usually worse) I’m all American.

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rockroots - December 10, 2022

The Defenders do get a mention towards the end, as do the Catholic loyalist militias.

I had the good fortune once to have a job that required me to read up on the life and times of Napper Tandy, and I developed a respect for him above and beyond the slightly more famous leaders of ’98; a man of relatively humble origins, a radical thorn in the side of the reformists until he found common cause with a group of much younger and much posher students, before ultimately falling out with most of them too. I recall that he spent a few months sharing a house with Tone in Philadelphia, but by the time they both ended up in Paris they were no longer speaking to each other. A colleague suggested it would make a good setting for an historical sit-com.

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13. Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

Going out to lift the dahlia tubers in a minute. I hope I haven’t left it too late.

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14. Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

A vice president of the European Parliament, Eva Kaili (Greece, S&D/PASOK), has been arrested in a corruption investigation by the Belgian police. She has been suspended from membership by both the S&D group and PASOK.

The offices of three MEPs have been sealed by Belgian police as part of the investigation, and others have been arrested.

The corruption allegations concern Qatar.

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15. banjoagbeanjoe - December 10, 2022

Ce soir. Allez Les Bleus. Allez, allez, allez.
Ni dieu, ni maitre. Ni patrie ni patron.
Aux armes citoyens!
Formez vos bataillons!

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Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

See also:

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Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

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arscáthachéile - December 11, 2022

Thought George and Ronnie were very biased for England on RTE last night – I have it on good authority that Ronnie votes Tory.

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16. tomasoflatharta - December 10, 2022
17. Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

A question for CLRers with children: has the term ‘LP’ passed into history for the younger generation?

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banjoagbeanjoe - December 10, 2022

My children are in their twenties and thirties. I’ve no idea if they ever say LP. But I doubt they do.

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roddy - December 10, 2022

Near enough,a party on 3% would’nt really grab their attention!

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WorldbyStorm - December 11, 2022

Hmmmm 😉

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irishelectionliterature - December 11, 2022

It’s just called vynil now with no reference to if it’s an EP, 12 inch single or album

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sonofstan - December 11, 2022

I recentle set an essay question where students were asked to pick a record from a particular time period and discuss it, and said they could pick an LP or a single, or even a couple of singles. They knew what an LP was, but after a while I realised I needed to explain the concept of ‘a single’.

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18. Tomboktu - December 10, 2022

Remembering a late aunt who many years ago told me that opera lost its aura when she heard one in English, and realised that a lot of the singing between the big set pieces was along the lines of “Oh fuck, your mother’s coming up the stairs. Quick, hide in the wardrobe.” (Tonight’s Opera Night broadcast on Lyric FM is in English, if you’re wondering what triggered that memory, as I wait for Purple Vespertine.)

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19. tomasoflatharta - December 11, 2022
20. roddy - December 11, 2022

Media onslaught not working.SF no change at 34% in Sunday times poll.

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21. Michael Carley - December 11, 2022

John Molyneux has died.

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yourcousin - December 11, 2022

Very sorry to hear that, may he rest in power.

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WorldbyStorm - December 11, 2022

Likewise, very sorry to hear that – condolences to his family, friends and comrades,

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22. tomasoflatharta - December 11, 2022

Irish Left With Ukraine (ILWU) was honoured to receive an invitation to participate in a Dublin December 11 demonstration organised by Free Russians Ireland.
Free Russians Ireland co-hosted an impressive protest with Iranians in Ireland supporting the current women-led uprising against the brutal Islamic Republic led by Ayatollah Khamenei. A report is here : https://tomasoflatharta.com/2022/12/11/free-russians-ireland-demonstration-dublin-december-11-2022-we-demand-that-the-russian-army-immediately-leave-ukraine/

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23. Tomboktu - December 12, 2022

Very kind of the farmer on Morning Ireland to add the afterthought that he doesn’t mind of the worker he hires is male or female. Does he know it’s the law?

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