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Manifestly inadequate… true. Manifestly obvious too. January 26, 2018

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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Coming on the day it did, when the IT lauded Varadkar’s personal popularity in polling this should be a bucket of cold water in the face of any pretensions…

The Council of Europe has heavily criticised Ireland’s social services, claiming the level of assistance for single people without resources is “manifestly inadequate”.
A monitoring report on health, social security and social protection services said Ireland is failing to live up to some 13 legal obligations to citizens under the European Social Charter.
Failings cited include inadequate co-ordination of the fight against poverty and social exclusion, and the failure to guarantee access to health and social services.

And:

On welfare benefits, it finds the minimum amount of sickness, work injury and occupational diseases benefits are inadequate.
It notes unemployment assistance was €100 per week for persons aged 18 to 24 and €144 per week for persons aged 25 and above.
“The committee notes that unemployment assistance for persons aged 25 years or below is manifestly inadequate,” the report says.
And on it goes… health and safety in the workplace, mental health services, prescription charges, etc.

No room for complacency there.

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1. dublinstreams - January 26, 2018

anyone find the docuemtns that this is referring to very hard to find them on EU websites.

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GW - January 26, 2018

You’re telling me…

Anyone?

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Liberius - January 26, 2018

The trouble you two have got is you’re getting confused between the Council of Europe, European Council and Council of the European Union; The Council of Europe is it’s own thing.

The information is available at the following link, it’s article 12.1 onwards that is important.

http://hudoc.esc.coe.int/eng#%22ESCCycle%22:%5B%22year2017%22,%222017%22,%22XXI-2%22%5D,%22ESCDcLanguage%22:%5B%22ENG%22%5D,%22ESCStateParty%22:%5B%22IRL%22%5D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe

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Liberius - January 26, 2018

Hmmm…

Clicking back on the link it’s resetting back to default. Use the filters on the side to look for Ireland article 12 and last 6 months.

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dublinstreams - January 26, 2018

I meant European institutions website documents in general, I was going to this site I still couldn’t find them, https://www.coe.int/en/web/turin-european-social-charter/-/several-states-parties-to-the-european-social-charter-marked-by-a-high-levels-of-poverty-in-2017 Im going to the bove link follwoing instructions and the apges are blank and clicking the pdf link says I don’t have premission

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Liberius - January 26, 2018

Have you tried a clean browser with adblocking etcetera turned off, it works for me under those circumstances. I’d agree with GW, not very user friendly.

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dublinstreams - January 26, 2018

I got some text following that I just don’t know what Im looking at compared to the article. Much more text in French.

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Liberius - January 26, 2018

Okay, here’s an easier way, from the link provided by you click on the “Press Release” link, then at the bottom of the following page click on the “National Reports” link, then scroll down to Ireland, and click on ” Comments from the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission” and that will take you to a 36 page PDF (I’ve linked it below) with the “manifestly inadequate” quote on page 17 of the PDF, marked 14 on the page itself.

Torturous…

https://rm.coe.int/168070b755

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GW - January 27, 2018

Gold star to you Liberius. Thanks.

You clearly have an eye for a needle in a haystack. Or just better search skills 🙂

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Liberius - January 27, 2018

Nothing but a tendency towards doggedness, I don’t like to be beaten by obtusity.

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Tomboktu - January 27, 2018

Re Liberius’s comment that ends with the word ‘Torturous…’ and the link to https://rm.coe.int/168070b755

… that is not actually the findings. That document is what the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission said to the CoE last year in its submission. (You can see the government’s report that the IHREC was responding to here: https://rm.coe.int/16806ec8e1 )

The actual findings seem to be unavailable today (Sat 27th Jan).

The Country Chapter (available on the “Related” tab in the online database) has a link that is broken and the content of the database version (at http://hudoc.esc.coe.int/eng ) is missing 😦

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2. GW - January 26, 2018

Man that web site is desperate. To quote the man:

“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

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Joe - January 27, 2018

Which man is that GW?

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WorldbyStorm - January 27, 2018

Arthur Dent, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (or Douglas Adams who wrote it!).

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Joe - January 27, 2018

Ah yes, thanks.

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Tomboktu - January 27, 2018

Helpfully, the press release that Liberius mentions gives a contact:
Giuseppe Zaffuto
giuseppe.zaffuto@coe.int
+33 3 90 21 56 04

His role is given as press officer, but I’d say he might have an interest in passing on, eh, critical feedback to his IT colleagues!

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3. Tomboktu - January 27, 2018

[Update to my earlier comments above]

The database is back online.

You can get the full conclusions for 2017 for Ireland here (PDF, 49 pages): hudoc.esc.coe.int/app/conversion/pdf?library=ESC&id=CR_2017_IRL_ENG&filename=CR_2017_IRL_ENG.pdf

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