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That Sinn Féin collapse June 13, 2024

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Pat Leahy isn’t entirely wrong in the following:

Sinn Féin’s disaster was the standout story of the weekend’s count. Opinion polls in recent months have tracked a steady decline in support for the party. But with recent general election polls putting the party in the 20s, the actual result that took shape when the ballot boxes were opened was far worse than party figures anticipated, even in their worst-case scenarios.

At less than 12 per cent for the local elections, the result shows a collapse in Sinn Féin support that is of a magnitude that will be hard to reverse before a general election. Counts today in the European elections could bring more bad news, with a possibility that the party could be without a seat in any – or, unbelievably, all – the European Parliament constituencies. That’s unlikely, but Sinn Féiners will be living on their nerves today.

That said, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael haven’t done terribly well either. They too have losses.

Still, he’s got a point here:

Is it true that Sinn Féin had a terrible local and Euros in 2019, and turned that around within eight months to have a barnstorming general election in February 2020. Hard trick to repeat, though. And they might not get eight months this time. Party leader Mary Lou McDonald, who faced the music in the RDS yesterday with defiance, faces the hardest challenge of her political career.

 

And broadly speaking he seems correct here:

Sinn Féin’s collapse opened the space for a surge in support for Independents, who made gains across the country. 

Looking back across the last three years one has to wonder if the very high Sinn Féin vote in polls was always something of a chimera. People often point to the pandemic as one of the reasons why the far-right gained some momentum. Could it be that the pandemic also exaggerated Sinn Féin’s vote? Yet that’s not all of it. Sinn Fein went from 13.8% (oddly close to the local election results) in 2016 to 24.5% in 2020. So there was real momentum there for further gains. 

We must factor in caveats. Local elections are not national elections. There are so many candidates and so many places for votes to go. Moreover the dynamics are radically different. General election polling has them up around 22%. Yet Sinn Féin could comfortably have expected to be polling well above 15%. To have dropped to or below 12% is a serious problem. 

The problems of this vote are manyfold. There is a loss of morale. This isn’t a small thing. Those who have pounded the streets the last month and more have to reorient to the next election. There’s the perception amongst voters that Sinn Féin is weakened. That increases the morale of rivals (one can see that Fine Gael in particular can hardly contain its glee at the current difficulties encountered by Sinn Féin) but it also makes voters more sceptical and more open to voting for others.

There’s the basic question as to what can be done to turn this around. I don’t know, does anyone? 

What is telling is that Leahy doesn’t offer a reason why Sinn Féin has run into this trouble. Is this a leadership issue, a policy issue, or something else?

The structural reasons include running too many candidates – way too many candidates. North Inner City was a perfect example. Three candidates of which just one made it (in fairness, FF ran three, of which not one came close to winning). For a party famed for its supposed acumen in elections management, it seems very uncertain in local elections in the Republic. The IT offers an insight into other areas where SF ran ‘a hugely ambitious local election strategy’.

But one might reasonably ask what was this strategy based on?

What if any polling was conducted to see if it was sufficiently robust to meet engagement with actual voters. Add to that oddly sporadic canvassing. Una Mullally noted that in the IT and I’d second that. Where I live – which is in the heart of McDonald’s constituency – it is the Fine Gael councillor who is by a country mile most active to judge from visits and so on; next up a local community councillor. Beyond that, the GP and only after that SF. So was this a case of believing or seeming to believe overly optimistic polls? Or a rhetoric of SF as the leading party?

I think it’s the RTÉ politics podcast that has a quote in its intro from McDonald where she claims that the old political model of two leading parties is shattered and over for good. I’m never keen on statements in politics that are so emphatic and certain, particularly when they point to another party, that of the speaker being the inevitable beneficiary. But if people in a party begin to believe it, that’s a problem as well. Just by the way, none of this is just off the top of my head. Here’s a report with SF councillors interviewed who make many of the same points.

Beyond that there’s a hazier element. A sense of their being oddly unsure footed. It sounds almost absurd to say this, but what does Sinn Féin stand for? We say they are on the left but where? They’re extremely coy about that. Policy-wise, while clearly in favour of state activism in areas like housing, there’s almost a sense that it’s not quite joined up. And while their dedication to unity is much more clearly stated, how that resonates in this particular polity is somewhat more contradictory than they or many of us might like to hope.

It’s been noted here on CLR in Comments, the number of those who agree with SF’s analysis as regards, say, housing but now believe the party won’t be in a position to change matters or even if it is won’t be able to. Add to the above is a problem for the party is that it’s oddly overfamiliar. There is a thought that somehow SF has felt almost part of the Leinster House institutions in some odd way. They’re not in government, of course, but they feel as if they’ve been in opposition so long that they’re somehow not quite oppositional. I’m not expressing that well but it’s worth parsing out. As noted in Comments, their push towards the centre and their very curious inability to engage with the refugee issue perhaps adds to this. 

I’d long been thinking Fianna Fáil was in dire straits. And yet looking at their cohort of 200+ councillors and that of Fine Gael with more again and then looking at Sinn Féin’s much lower level and I wonder if we are looking at FF, SF and FG floating around in much the same political space in terms of national representation. It is still very likely that SF will be well ahead of Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil but it doesn’t seem to be connecting sufficiently at the local level. 

A couple of further thoughts . . .

Sinn Féin went into this election with considerable prominence. With the institutions reinstalled in the North that gave them an exposure other parties that would be delighted with. Yet it appears to have had no impact on voters whatsoever. Northern Ireland doesn’t seem to win votes for parties in the South.

Finally – and this is becoming something of a single transferable point made in posts this last while – the volatility of the electorate both giveth and taketh away and giveth. Perhaps no party should be depending upon a base any longer. But how to try to capture sufficient to make breakthroughs? That’s a question.

Whatever else, SF will have to consider all this, and where it is and where it is going because it is one of the progressive elements in our politics. And it is going to have to do that quickly, with the increasing possibility of an election within the next four or five months. 

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1. sonofstan - June 13, 2024

I was looking at something else yesterday and came across the fact that Labour, after the 2011 election, lost 7 TDs between then and 2016 – almost a 20% attrition rate. Notably, two of those seven are still in the Dáil, a better retention rate than the 5 from 31 of the remainder. SF have also shed TDs and this seems to be problem endemic when a third party grows too quickly: you end up with candidates and TDs whose understanding of where the party stands and what it is might be a hazy as that of the electorate, as you suggest. Even more extreme with a paper party like Reform UK of course.

Ironically for SF, they have a really good example of a party that had grown consistently and surefootedly, and with impressive discipline to emulate – and it’s themselves, but in the north.

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2. James McBarron - June 13, 2024

First on the mechanical stuff in the area I was canvassing we knocked on every door, but I know that in certain areas of the county there was no real door to door campaign. Turnout in Mahon went up from low 20’s last time to 35% this time, an area only ourselves and FF canvassed.

Personally I thought the posters looked anemic and too few. Unlike candidates of which there were too many. Easy to say now, I know.

But the campaign is only a wee part.

Sinn Féin needed to intervene early in the immigration debate and take a no nonsense leftist position. The party abstained and dittered that’s down to the leadership. Yes early intervention would have cost the party some soft support but it would have clarified things early and allowed us have the necessary arguments.

A similar problem occurred during the water tax campaign where the party hummed and hawed as the working class moved into action. Stop worrying about the newspaper editorials or the sensitivities of the middle class.

The campaign nationally was uninspiring and unfocused, too presidential and easily undermined by a hostile media. I filled out the which candidate survey and discovered that I was compatible most with the soc dem candidate, the reason primarily was that SF hadn’t answered the questionaire and the researchers could only garner so much information on the party positions from the media.

Reduce the national herd, Nitrates directive, Ming agrees, every scientific and environmental survey agrees, SF fudges. For who a small block of intensive industrial dairy farmers who will never vote for SF.

SF needs to harden up on the environment, class politics and migrant rights. The focus has to be housing, health and the cost of living.

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2024

Great overview. Much appreciated. It’s not too late either. Actually it’s essential for SF to get stuck in.

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Wes Ferry - June 13, 2024

Sinn Féin needed to intervene early in the immigration debate and take a no nonsense leftist position. The party abstained and dittered that’s down to the leadership. Yes early intervention would have cost the party some soft support but it would have clarified things early and allowed us have the necessary arguments.

In the general election in Britain, SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn has restored some voters’ faith in the wobbling SNP’s credentials as a progressive, left-of-centre party. He has vigorously and publicly challenged the dog whistle anti-immigration campaigning of Labour as well as the Tories and the Faragists.

Re SF: has the significant membership influx post-conflict diluted or outgrown the old activist driving force that was previously a concentrated and dedicated machine?

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sonofstan - June 13, 2024

Excellent overview. Get well soon.

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Fergal - June 13, 2024

I was struck by what Son said recently about a centre-left bloc and a right-wing one

Was also taken by what Banjo’s mate said about people not caring about local or Euro elections

Like James’ overview of the SF situation, lots of clarity … and clarity is to be welcomed when you have adults screaming, ‘send them home’ outside empty buildings

Like Roddy’s principled republican take on the recent upsurge in anti-migrant sentiment

The dust is settling …

A centre-left bloc that is inclusive and willing to tackle homelessness and the housing crisis… to include radical indos …

The trick, in politics, as always is to do this with people not slogans …

And go for broke … go for 90 seats, divide up the constituencies equitably …

’Sick of the same old, same old?
‘im voting change … continuity won’t solve our housing/health/inequality issue etc

Only one thing worse than a smug FFer and that’s a smug FGer

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sonofstan - June 13, 2024

“Only one thing worse than a smug FFer and that’s a smug FGer”

Have you met the Starmerites?

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banjoagbeanjoe - June 13, 2024

Roddy n James are indeed two sound left, anti-racist SFers. But I read a report of internal SF discussions before they swung right populist on immigration. The report referenced southern rural elected councillors saying basically they were losing the street on immigration and refugees and they needed to throw sops to the mob. And SF did just that. For all the good it did them.

Similarly, someone familiar with the East Wall racist protests told me they were impressed with some local SF members who opposed the racists. But they very much stressed the ‘some’, from which I took that some local SF people didn’t oppose the racists or maybe even supported them.

SF is a broad church with a lot of people who have come on board in recent years with a mix of political understandings and leanings. They’ve a job to do to decide where they really stand on lots of stuff.

Look. I know I put on a persona on here of an irrational ex-stick who will hate and criticize SF come what may. But the above is a genuine attempt to be reasonable.

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Fergal - June 13, 2024

Son,

Not everything is a competition …

The Big Starm is like one of those mountain top finishes in the Tour de France, he’s ‘hors catégorie’

Our gang are drumlins in comparison

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4. Colm B - June 13, 2024

Thanks James for an honest overview of what went wrong for SF. When a party does badly activists usually case around for lame excuses rather than honestly analysing what went wrong.

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