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Cóir to become political party? October 7, 2009

Posted by WorldbyStorm in European Politics, Irish Politics.
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You may have read this week that:

THE ANTI-LISBON Treaty group Cóir may become a political party, targeting disaffected Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin supporters as members, according to its spokesman Brian Hickey.
Mr Hickey said he believed there was now room for a “patriotic, conservative and socially conscious party” to represent people who did not support existing political parties.
“We are certainly considering forming Cóir into a political party because there’s obviously a gap there in the Irish political spectrum,” he said.

And that:

Mr Hickey said all of the political parties, except for Sinn Féin and the Socialists, supported the Lisbon Treaty but more than 30 per cent of voters had voted No in the referendum.
People who joined Fianna Fáil when it was “a genuinely conservative and republican party” now felt “completely disillusioned”, Mr Hickey claimed.
“So I’d say quite a lot of disaffected members of Fianna Fáil [would be potential supporters]; perhaps members of Sinn Féin who feel uncomfortable with that party’s position on all sorts of social and moral issues would also be potential supporters.”

Well, we’ll come to the FF/SF disaffected members, although isn’t it fascinating that he points at them rather than voters. But it’s his point about the 30% that is most interesting. Interesting because while he might like to think this is something new, it really isn’t.

Even the most cursory glance at polling figures over the past three decades of our engagement with Europe will demonstrate that at each referendum there has been a bloc of those voting against European referendums that has varied between its heighest point at Nice 1, 53.87% and a mere 16.76% at the original 1972 European Communities referendum.

One could argue that this decade has seen the pendulum swing more frequently to the NO side. Both Nice 1 and Lisbon 1 delivered defeats to the Government, again of 53.87% and 53.4% respectively. But, ironically this decade also delivered the highest YES vote in an EU related referendum since the 1992 Maastricht referendum, with the YES sides getting 67.13% at Lisbon 2 and 69.05% at Maastricht. Between those points at Amsterdam the YES side won with 61.74%, Lost at Nice 1 with only 46.13% YES, won at Nice 2 with 62.89%, lost at Lisbon 1 with 46.6% and won again at Lisbon 2 with 67.13%. In a way that suggests that broadly speaking, given the right circumstances it is possible for the YES side to mobilise somewhere above 55%.

But what are the right circumstances? It’s not simply turnout, although turnout is important. At Nice 1 turnout fell to 34%, the lowest of any EU related referendum. At Nice 2 it rose again to 49%. At Lisbon 1 though it rose again to 53%, whereas at Lisbon 2 it rose still further to 59%.

Perhaps we can chart this to a declining enthusiasm for Europe and all its works. There’s no getting away from the fact that the highest vote was in 1972 with 82% voting YES to joining the EEC and only 16% voting no. What’s fascinating though is that at the next available opportunity in 1987 to vote for the Single European Act the YES side gained just under 70% of the vote, and… crucially, the NO side won 30%. So, if the shine had come off it wasn’t by much, whereas the NO side had consolidated considerably. Actually that’s worth noting in itself because you’ll go a fair way reading through material from the left during the 1970 – 1972 period before you come upon a pro-EEC piece.

Five years later almost identifical figures were recorded for Maastricht. And although Amsterdam in 1998 saw the YES side weaken to 61% and the NO side rise to just a shade under 40% at 38% that indicates that whatever momentum existed from 1972 was retained across decades.

Indeed from a pro-European project perspective it is only in the last decade that the situation saw any striking reversals. And yet, that seems to me, given the votes at both Nice 2 and Lisbon 2, that much was down to a political establishment which simply couldn’t countenance losing a referendum, and worse and perhaps ironically so given the trope that the EU now dominates our lives to an irresponsible degree, a concentration on national political issues – one thinks of the manner in which the departure of Bertie Ahern shaped the run-up to Lisbon 1 to the detriment of the impact and import of EU issues (and that, I think, holds true for whatever side one belongs to).

Given the somewhat considerable, but perhaps often uncritical, enthusiasm of the early years of Irish membership of the EEC (and after in some quarters), at least as evidenced by the polling data, it’s hard to believe that the current situation is not a slight improvement. The issues are at least discussed and fought over. Nothing is taken for granted, not least the project itself. But there’s no question that the YES side can, assuming it manages to address the democratic issues raised by re-runs – something that although clearly not a huge problem (for them in political terms) this time out is far from self-evidently not going to be a problem in future referendums, utilise even now the residual pro-EEC sentiment expressed in 1972. And conversely that means that the NO side has an enormous mountain to climb at each and every occasion. Speaking as one who was for many years strongly and enthusiastically pro-EU, and who has moved to a much more agnostic position in recent times, there’s little question that the field of play is tilted a certain way, but… it’s also evident that it was always thus and in part simply because pro-EEC/EC/EU sentiment has been so high from the off. The default position was one of ‘well sure we’ll vote YES, why would we do otherwise?’. No good in 1972 and no good in 2009, at least from the point of view of actually engaging with both the pros and cons of the issue.

And this brings me back to Cóir. Because if they believe that space has now opened up then they’ve clearly not been looking at the history, and not that distant history either. From 1987 the figures indicate that the scope for such formations would be there, if that were the only yardstick one were to use. And granted, that is indeed the time since when the Irish political system can be said to have fractured from the original, but far from best, 2 and a half party structure, to its current more pluralistic mode.

Which begs the question why at this point, given the near terminal decline of the Catholic Church, the extension of what I could term consumerist culture and a shift in mores do Cóir believe it is more propitious to establish a political party than, say in 1987?

And even more intriguingly why is it that they point towards Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin as the parties from which any support would come from and their members rather than just supporters. Does it seem likely that long term members of Sinn Féin or Fianna Fáil would find the temptation to jump to Cóir appealing? FF is no bastion of liberalism, well… perhaps it is given its new affiliation in the European Parliament, but the idea it only recently changed is untenable… while surely any socially conservative SF members sort of kind of got the idea over the past decade or two that the party they’re in isn’t exactly of the social right. Cóir also appears to have conveniently forgotten a much less impressive example in more recent political history, that of Libertas who, while clearly able to mobilise successfully at Lisbon I, were unable to successfully translate that into political leverage at the European elections (I hope to look at a reverse example too in a subsequent piece).

And in the light of this why Cóir believes that something has changed and that that something indicates a shift to the ‘patriotic, conservative and socially conscious’ is a bit beyond me. If anything the local and European elections pointed to an opposite dynamic where both mainstream parties and the further left did better while the further right simply… didn’t.

But that too is something worth considering in greater detail soon, because it raises a central paradox in the result.

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1. John Palmer - October 7, 2009

WbS – my point about Coir was not whether or not they are being realistic about their prospects for launching a new right wing party. It was rather how the impact they made in the anti-Lisbon Treaty campaign has greatly encouraged them in this direction. As I have said before in most of the countries which ran a serious anti-Lisbon campaign (on sovereignty, “the national interest” etc) the hard right emerged greatly encouraged and in many cases (France, Denmark, Austria for instance) with genuinely increased support. Now there is nothing inevitable in all of this. But the palsied state of the mainstream left of centre social democratic parties (Greece is a rare exception) and the atrophied state of the old left should be a cause of even greater concern.

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2. irishelectionliterature - October 7, 2009

Just to add to that slightly… in the 1997 General Election, 28 candidates were listed as being ‘proud to represent a Christian viewpoint’. All but one lost their deposits. Between them they got a grand total of 31,701 votes.
A year later 578,070 people voted no to the Amsterdam Treaty…..

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3. WorldbyStorm - October 7, 2009

Yeah, that’s interesting IEL. Looking at that I’m still unconvinced that there’s a clear casual effect at least in this state between NO sentiment and far right sentiment. I’m not disputing John that that is the case in some European contexts. But while I’m certain that Cóir may feel encouraged as you say, they’d be wrong to do so. And even then, what precisely can we do about it? Not run referendums for fear of inciting them? I’m sure you don’t want that any more than me.

I think there’s a degree of opportunism on European issues for the right, look at UKIP. But in a state like this with only a patchy far right tradition it doesn’t seem to me there is traction. On the other hand… maybe the next year or two and the fracturing of FF will prove that analysis wrong.

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4. Ronan Gallagher - October 7, 2009

I wonder how we all will feel about Europe if the war criminal, liar, and coward, Tony Blair who started a war he would never have to fire a shot in on a lie, becomes the unelected President of Europe. And we’re worried about Coir? At least if they gain some power (God help us) they will have to do so by getting the votes of the electorate and not by a nod and a wink from the political elite.

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5. smiffy - October 7, 2009

“I wonder how we all will feel about Europe if the war criminal, liar, and coward, Tony Blair who started a war he would never have to fire a shot in on a lie, becomes the unelected President of Europe. ”

He won’t. There’s no such position.

I really don’t think there’s much chance of Cóir forming a political party, and contesting elections. Not simply because they’re just one part of the Youth Defence/Family and Life wider organisation; People before Profit is just a SWP front, but it didn’t stop them. It’s more because if Cóir get involved in electoral politics, they’ll be held to higher standards of transparency and disclosure in terms of their fund-raising than they are at present.

I think this is just a bit of kite-flying to try to put pressure on Fianna Fáil in particular (SF to a much lesser extent) to give greater consideration to the views of the Catholic far-right in any ‘social issues’ (for want of a better term) coming up in the near future. The civil partnership bill and the children’s rights referendum are two issues that immediately come to mind.

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Ronan Gallagher - October 7, 2009

The President of Europe will be a new job, created by the Lisbon treaty.The President of Europe will, essentially, be the President of the European Council. The European Council is made up of the heads of the various member states of the EU, and the president rotates on a six-monthly basis, between those heads. The Lisbon treaty will change this, so that the president is chosen by those heads every two-and-a-half years.

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Desmond O'Toole - Party of European Socialists (PES activists Dublin) - October 7, 2009

Article 15 of the consolidated Lisbon Treaty refers to the “President of the European Council”. This is a non-executive position responsible for convening and chairing meetings of the European Council, co-ordinating and driving forward its work and speaking on its behalf.

Smiffy is correct, there is no such post of President of Europe, elected or otherwise, or “new” or “essentially” as you claim.

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Damian O'Broin - October 7, 2009

I think you’ve got a point there smiffy about fundraising.

But haven’t we heard all this before, after the abortion referenda of 1992 and 2002? Didn’t YD/Coir claim then that no party was representing the hundreds of thousands of pro-life voters that FF had shamefully deserted?

Referenda are different. I don’t think we’re going to see a sudden surge of disillusioned FF voters rushing into Cóir’s open arms.

But then I suppose 18 months ago the notion that FF and Labour would have the same core vote wasn’t on the radar either…

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6. John Palmer - October 7, 2009

smiffy is quite right: there is no such position as “President of Europe” envisaged under the Lisbon Treaty. However the right are pushing hard to get Blair adopted as President of the European Council./ It is essential to get this blocked (and I think it will be). There is a fine pan-European petitition http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html which can be signed by all those who find the idea of Blair sent to any post in Europe revolting (apart from a role as defendant in The Hague International War Crimes Court).

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WorldbyStorm - October 7, 2009

Thanks for that John. Like yourself I do indeed find it a revolting idea. Good to hear that you think it unlikely.

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7. Colm B - October 7, 2009

“But the palsied state of the mainstream left of centre social democratic parties (Greece is a rare exception) and the atrophied state of the old left should be a cause of even greater concern.”

John conveniently ignores the emergence of a new, though heterogenous, left including the New Anti-Capitalist Party in France, The Left Bloc in Portugal, the Socialist Party in the Netherlands all of which are resolutely anti Lisbon Treaty/EU Constitution. These have largely opposed this latest development of “United States of Europe” on the basis of internationalist rather than national sovereignty arguments as indeed did the SP and PBPA in Ireland. One might also include Die Linke though they obviously include a substantial bloc of old lefts (PDS) and social democrats (Lafontaine etc.)

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8. John Palmer - October 7, 2009

Colm – Alas the new Anti-Capitalist Party did not do very well (suffered from leftist splinter groups). The French conservative right did hugely well. So well that Sarkozy was able to coopt PS and radical individuals into his government. The SP in the Netherlands did pick up votes but the centre of gravity in Dutch politics moved significantly to the right in the most recent election. It is important to see the forest not just individual trees. Anti Lisbonism was an insigificant element in the Portuguese and German elections. Indeed the Rosa Luxembourg Foundation (which is associated with Die Linke) is constructively pro-European. Ditto the successful left in Greece this week. You mention the PBPA in Ireland. The political family which created the PBPA always advocated a United Socialist States of Europe. If you have any PBPA literature to that effect I would like to see it.

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Mark P - October 7, 2009

You’d have to find PBPA literature which advocated socialism at all first.

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Kerry Com - October 7, 2009

Holland moved to the right because the country is now entering into a very detailed debate about immigration and actually discussing the negatives of immigration as we as the positives.

Unfortunately the left there refuses to even countenance that immigration might have negatives. The drift to obscurity for another left party begins.

in the 2006 election the Socialist Party got 25 seats. In the most recent opinion poll they are now on 15.
The SP are unfortunately struggling. They dont seem to be able to meaningfully engage with the dutch voter who, even though famed for their tolerance, have serious questions about immigration.

heterogenous the left may be on lisbon but homogenous in its blindness when it comes to analysis of the one very big issue.

As a result the left lost the Euro elections to the right at a time when the world was entering a second depression.

Ordinary people dont believe the European lefts economic policies and they dont believe the european left has any clue when it comes to immigration.

Talking about woods and trees thats a big wood thats being ignored and frankly the lefts position on Lisbon does not matter any more.

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Mark P - October 7, 2009

Funny how people who think that the left “ignore” immigration always seem to actually be complaining that the left aren’t adopting an anti-immigrant position.

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Tim - October 7, 2009

… which is precisely why the left is being ignored in Europe. Pretending immigration has no negative consequences is a cowardly position and only does harm to those who stick their heads in the sand.

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kerry com - October 8, 2009

Yes MarkP, its hilarious

About as funny as the far right being the largest party in Holland in recent polls, the far right being in govt. in Italy, funny like the far right having ruled in both Switzerland and Austria where they respectively retain about 25% of the vote. Or is it funny in the way that Norway has a far right party at 23%.

Maybe its funny the way the far right have strong influence in the Denmark govt. or what about the growing and existing far right parties in Finland Belgium and France where they all get about 10 to 15 % of the vote.

Yes it would be funny but your very predictable response, a slur and disgusting insinuation , and the general approach of the left is having the very unfunny affect of allowing the far right to build a very strong hold over Europe.

The only thing thats funny is the left, that block which will stand most squarely against the fascists, is actually the reason why the fascists are getting such high votes in the elections. Pretending something is not there does not solve it. When will we learn this and will we do it before their are 3-5 far right govts in Europe.

If you have your way MarkP, then no we wont and those govts. will come to power. You may well be protesting then but will you and the broader left recogise the contribution you made to bringing about that nightmare situation.

I somehow doubt you will and as a result the only ones laughing will be the far right.

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9. Mark P - October 7, 2009

The experience of ultra-Catholic political formations over the last couple of decades has not been an encouraging one. A number of them have come and gone – anyone remember, the Christian Democrats, Muintir na hEireann or the National Party? – and the only one with a bit of stamina, the CSP, gets an absolutely derisory vote. Cóir’s most prominent spokesperson, Richard Greene, was of course the leader of one of those outfits.

The oddest thing about the article though is that it talks of launching a political party in the future tense. In fact, leading Cóir figures launched a new political party earlier in the year, the Irish People’s Party. Nobody noticed. And it seems to have disappeared without trace.

http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/New-national-political-party-launched.5479716.jp

There isn’t much reason to believe that the amateurishness and tactical stupidity which has characterised the Catholic Right fringe over the last couple of decades is about to be ended by Cóir.

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10. Dr. X - October 7, 2009

If there is a gap in the market for a right-populist family values party, I suspect it won’t be filled by anyone or anything left over from the bad old days.

Rather we’ll get some charismatic individual, probably from the business world and without prior political baggage (unless Ganley tries it as his next move), starting some sort of ‘Reform’ party, which will put a sugar coating on the obnoxiousness of his kinder, kuche, kirche politics.

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11. Mark P - October 7, 2009

Quite possibly.

Certainly the existing Catholic Right fringe give the impression that they couldn’t organise a Mass in Monastery. Their record in terms of political organisation has been extremely poor. Still, it’s possible that conditions are now a little more favourable, with Irish Catholicism having halted or at least slowed its headlong retreat.

Cóir seems to have access to money and the notoriety it gained from the Yes media’s attempts to push them as players on the No side would be an advantage. But we still have to take into account the actual record of this milieu, and in some cases these very people, in party politics and that doesn’t exactly point towards success. There is still a market out there for Catholic Right ideology though.

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12. Brendan D. - October 7, 2009

I Would not be too quick to dismiss the potential of Coir to become a political party,During the referendum they organised a slick,creative and publicity -savy campaign. They appealed to a large selection of people,workers,ie minimum wage? ,farmers,a group that are being seriously screwed at the moment,the socially conservative etc. So imagine a near time where recession rules,unemployment has climbed dramatically and public services are slashed. A Fine-Gael/labour/SF are in power,the Trade unions are in a social partnership, implementation of IMF policies are the norm. Is it so difficult to envisage a right wing ,populist ,protectionist,nationalist anti immigrant organisation peddling quick solutions be so unattractive to disillusioned irish voters? As Joe Strummer might have said “The future is unwritten”

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13. Eamonn Dublin - October 7, 2009

I wonder will Malachy join as he’s been in almost every other party including Youth Defence ( coir mark 1). Sorry, I couldn’t resist myself.

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14. tgmac - October 7, 2009

Frankly, I don’t see Coir becoming a viable Christian Democratic Party in this state. Their young membership would be very limited and the older population mired in the politics of a bygone era. Could they be anything other than the equivalent of the bible-belters of the conservative wing in the US?

I don’t know how immigration got into the conversation as such but its an imortant topic that will have to be addressed by the broad left at some point. It’s been very easy to equate immigration with racism (ignoring the fact that many immigrants are white; many have some Irish connection; or are returned “exiles”) while not factoring into the equation that immigrant labour is often exploited in a new manner.

For example, Aer Lingus has announced savage job cuts this week; many lost jobs being in sort-of manual type occupations. In the fullness of time, we will hear of new jobs being created by a management company that will service the airline industry. These current redundancies are nothing but an exercise in outsourcing whereby good wages are lost as well as meaningul tax revenue. A few individuals at the management company will become rich or richer through arbitraging current wage levels against minimum wage levels.

These new jobs, just like the Irish Ferry jobs, will be filled mainly through immigrant labour who are not au fait with job protection laws and are often unrepresented on a macro level. Hell, there’s a factory up the country who won’t even employ Eastern EU citizens anymore as this group became clued up about their rights. Instead, this factory has gone further afield, outside the EU, to recruit new workers.

No doubt the immigration issue is thorny. There is much that is positive about immigration but we cannot go on ignoring the negatives as well. Racism is only one facit of the issue. Niavity on the issue isn’t acceptable anymore.

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15. Mark P - October 8, 2009

I’m not writing them off in advance, Brendan. But I do think that the repeated dismal failure of the Catholic Right milieu to get a viable electoral vehicle going, despite no end of attempts has to be taken into account when assessing them.

We’ve seen the CSP (and its predecessors, the CCP and CPP), the National Party, the Christian Democrats, Muintir na hEireann, the Irish People’s Party and independent candidacies by the likes of Justin Barrett, Niamh nic Mhathuna and Emmanuel Sweeney and they just haven’t gotten anywhere. By that I don’t mean just that they haven’t made a breakthrough on a significant national scale. I mean that they haven’t even built a viable fringe party as of yet.

As I said, I do think that there’s an audience there for Catholic Right politics. But so far it’s been very difficult to harness. Dana is a partial and interesting exception. I tend to agree with DrX that if anyone is able to build a viable movement out of that sentiment it’s more likely to be someone coming from outside of the current Catholic Right activist milieu.

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16. shea - October 8, 2009

theres a group called spirit going for a quaisi national radio licience i.e a radio licience for each of the cities like radio4. ment to be up after christmas. there focus is religion.

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17. Ed W - October 8, 2009

When I hear people say “the Left has to get serious about immigration or the far right will clean up”, I’d really like to hear what they have to propose themselves. What, exactly, should the Left be doing that it hasn’t been doing? It’s not like the centre-left parties have been falling over themselves to welcome immigrants and oppose racism.

I’ll take Britain as an example, since it’s the country outside Ireland I’m most familiar with. New Labour in Britain has gone along with all the racist tabloid campaigns to demonise asylum seekers and done everything it could to make the lives of refugees harder. That didn’t stop the growth of the BNP – if anything, it helped legitimise the far right by giving their ideas currency in the mainstream. The slogan “British jobs for British workers” was used by Brown in a conference speech opportunistically; it was taken up ironically by a group of striking workers (and quickly dropped I gather when some union activists pointed out the danger); but it was used with deadly earnest by the BNP.

I can think of several things that the British Labour Party could have done to block the growth of the far right, but taking a “hard” line against immigration isn’t one of them. They could, for example, have not abandoned their traditional working-class support base and become so obsessed with middle-class floating voters – that would have reduced the political space for the BNP to operate, they’ve marched into white working-class areas where the mainstream parties just haven’t bothered to organise in years and made serious gains. They could have repealed Thatcher’s anti-union laws – if the trade union movement in Britain was stronger, it would be in a better position to organise immigrant workers and prevent them being used as a tool to drive down wages and conditions in general. They could have redistributed some of the wealth that was funnelled upwards in the Thatcher years, relieving some of the poverty in working-class communities and reducing the danger that people will go looking for scapegoats.

They could have done all of those things, but they didn’t, because it would have meant ending their subservience to big business. I’m as alarmed as anyone by the growth of the far right in Europe, but if the Left tries to rebuild itself by fighting on the fascists’ chosen ground of immigration, we’re screwed – they’ll always be able to outbid the Left in anti-immigrant rhetoric and policies. On the other hand, if the Left tries to rebuild itself by putting class issues on the agenda, we may start getting somewhere and cut the ground from under the fascists’ feet.

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18. Mark P - October 8, 2009

It’s particularly odd to hear about how the left are “naive” about the way in which migrant labour can be exploited and how it can be used to break union agreements or drive down wages.

Who exactly do people think were on the ground playing a significant role in uncovering the GAMA scandal and supporting the strike? Or, looking at another facet of the same problem, who do they think was on the ground at the Lindsay Oil Refinery strikes in England?

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19. WorldbyStorm - October 8, 2009

I think you put your finger on it earlier Mark P, those calling for the left to operate in so far unspecified ways are demanding that the left essentially stop being left and become something other than that, right populist, etc.

Ed, think you’re dead right.

Incidentally, this isn’t to say that even within the left there’s an unvariegated approach to this within certain princples.

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20. user - October 8, 2009

Back to Coir. Its interesting to see whether an elecction sooner rather than later would be of benefit for them. Go now and they get the post lisbon bounce wait and thats gone.

I thnk either way its Coir with abou 500-700 votes in any constituencies they run in

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