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You’d worry how many will turn up…… January 9, 2011

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Was sent a link to this shindig, alas I’m not free …. You’d worry how many will turn up.

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1. shane - January 9, 2011

“Admission only €20”!!!

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2. RosencrantzisDead - January 9, 2011

I think you’ll be surprised at how many turn up. Desperate times drive people towards groups like these. Equally, the conference seems to be diverse enough to attract conspiracy theorists of all stripes.

I am surprised the David Icke/Freemen-On-The-Land crew are not involved. They were everywhere for a while.

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3. Captain Rock - January 9, 2011

Unfortunately many people are often more ready to embrace conspiracy theories than accept left-wing analysis of the crisis.

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4. EWI - January 9, 2011

Monckton is one of Richard Tol’s comrades in the AGW-denialism racket (he’s also falsely claimed to be a member of the House of Lords and to have a cure for AIDS). I’m guessing the rest of what look to be a sterling collection of right-wing nutters are no better than either him or Jim “Lizard-men” Corr. (we’re just missing the ‘sol-centrism’ truthers).

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5. Tim Johnston - January 9, 2011

Belief in the NWO seems to be a thread that unites elements of both left and right. Maybe the only thing they have in common at times.

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EWI - January 9, 2011

But doesn’t the left believe such a “NWO” to be the product of an Anglo-American military-industrial complex, whereas the (Anglophone) right believes it to be a commie-foreigner-UN enterprise?

There’s a great deal of difference between those two world-views.

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Tim Johnston - January 10, 2011

In the sense that one is perceived to be more tangible and the other secretive? maybe so.

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6. Canniffe - January 9, 2011

Is Richard Tol a climate sceptic?

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EWI - January 9, 2011

I believe the peculiar fence-sitting creature that Prof. Tol represents is called a “luke warmer” – won’t directly attack (or defend) climate science, yet is the most reliable and productive source of dissemination of every talking-point of the anti-AGW lobby in this country. His models for the ESRI on the economics of climate change have some curious failings, blind spots, and ‘areas for future study’.

Tol, it should also be noted, has had quite some difficulty in defending his frequent collaborator Lomborg and explaining his own membership of the (rabidly) climate-sceptic Tory think-tank the GWPF.

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Pope Epopt - January 10, 2011

You’ve got it in a nutshell there, EWI. Mr. Tol is sophisticated enough to know (unlike the ‘truthers’) that outright AGW denial doesn’t wash in the corridors of power. Instead denialism 2.0 serves to the push the message “AGW is happening but we shouldn’t do anything about it because it’s not worth it or impossible or profoundly anti-market, or whatever you’re funding yourself…”

(Sadly, they might be right on the impossibility claim – we may well be past the tipping point both in terms of the physical feedback loops now in play, and the collapse of political initiatives to deal with AGW.)

My sense of him is of a gleefully amoral and clever careerist who has spotted a couple of gaps in the market and the ESRI was dumb enough to take him on.

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7. Jim Monaghan - January 9, 2011

Will they have moving statues like last time

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ejh - January 9, 2011

Only twenty euros for moving statues? You can’t deny that’s value.

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Garibaldy - January 9, 2011

Surely the South Park episode Bloody Mary has ensured that moving statues can never be taken seriously ever again?

http://www.southparkstudios.co.uk/clips/sp_vid_155175/

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8. Starkadder - January 9, 2011

Someone on the Sovereign Independent website,
Sally Exoudhu, doesn’t approve of feminism:

Here are a series of videos about the weaponisation of gender using the Trojan Horse called feminism. The makers could have gone into the eugenics and extermination more, which is the reason why the socially-scientific gender weapon of feminism was dropped on the human race in the first place….Single parenthood is part of an old, old Platonic plan. The New World Order has been around for a long long long long time.
http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=11843

Reads like a cross between Nora Bennis and Lyndon
LaRouche.

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9. theraggedwagon - January 9, 2011

Jim will have some company for a change. Drummers live very lonely lives – most of their time is spent just ‘hanging about’ – at least that’s what Stones drummer Charlie Watts said after 25 years in that band: ‘I spent 5 years playing the drums and the rest of the time just hanging about’. Charlie though had other hobbies – vintage cars and horses; I recommend some kind of a hobby for Jim … oh hold on, he HAS a hobby!

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sonofstan - January 9, 2011

Eh….Jim’s not a drummer …

His sister Caroline is/ was the drummer in the Corrs

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Garibaldy - January 9, 2011

Should you really be admitting to knowing that SoS?

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sonofstan - January 9, 2011

I thought of that the split second after I hit ‘post comment’ 🙂

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Garibaldy - January 9, 2011

Watch WBS doesn’t ban you from doing any more This Weekend I’ll Mostly be Listening To. You’d have to at least be on probation now 😉

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WorldbyStorm - January 9, 2011

That’s weird though. I thought he was the drummer too, even though I’d seen them on TV as well.

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WorldbyStorm - January 9, 2011

That’s a very good point Garibaldy.

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sonofstan - January 9, 2011

Watch WBS doesn’t ban you from doing any more This Weekend I’ll Mostly be Listening To

I haven’t done one yet: (perhaps wisely). I’m not a drummer either….

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Garibaldy - January 9, 2011

I thought you had. It’s all white noise to me.

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10. CL - January 9, 2011

Just harmless conspiracist crackpots?

“Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC) said extremist groups had exploded in the United States since Obama’s election. These groups, it said, had increased by 244%, were “steeped in wild, anti-government conspiracy theories” that exploited populist anger across the country and had infiltrated the mainstream.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona

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EWI - January 9, 2011

This isn’t exactly new, just an escalation (scary black man!) of what Clinton was subjected to during his term.

Then, the white crackers being sicc’d by the GOP and their corporate media sponsors were called Freepers. Now they go by the name of Tea Partiers.

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11. RepublicanSocialist1798 - January 9, 2011

Funny fact about Monckton: in addition to being one of Thatcher’s dry’s, he advocated that people with AIDS or HIV should be quarantined for life and that the entire population should be screened every month. He did say ten years later that the proposals were laughable.

He also created the Eternity puzzle.

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12. Blissett - January 10, 2011

What an awful poster.

On a side issue, Lord Monckton gets a nice blurb.
I look forward to the day I can be described as a ‘Succesful Master Debunker’. Whatever that is.

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Budapestkick - January 10, 2011

It’s one above ‘Journeyman Debunker’

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13. Pope Epopt - January 10, 2011

Imagine being locked in the room with these people for an entire day – and paying for the privilege!

I’m glad someone brought this up. With my innate sense of paranoia about this kind of thing filling up the legitimacy vacuum that has emerged, I’m not sure this lot can be treated solely as a source of amusement. I know quite a few people (some of whom should know better) who are into this and the ‘Zeitgeist movement’. Let’s hope they just fade away, but…

They have a nice sense of combining populist anti-finance-capital, health concern etc. positions with their main agenda – climate change denial, patriarchy, affirmation of an Atlantacist/anglophone identity and rabid anti-Europeanism.

Antisemitism (combined with unquestioning support of Israel) is just under the surface. They have an obsessive interest in the House of Rothschild, and old consipiracy trope that goes way back.

My guess is they have a deepish pockets; sourcing funding from the fossil fuel and nuclear industries, speculators who stand to gain from the collapse of the Euro, defenders of the US empire etc.

I do have a sense that they are hampered by and utter lack of feel for Irish political culture however, and come over as ‘imported’ in a way that harmed Ganley’s EU referendum campaigns. At the same time they serve to increase the quota of irrationality about a number of issues and dog knows we have enough of that. It’s a shame the left is not positioned to mobilise some of the anger that drives their supporters here.

So they probably rate an entry of ‘mostly harmless’, IMO.

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CL - January 11, 2011

“Last summer PRA Senior Analyst Chip Berlet warned that the combination of burgeoning conspiracy theories coupled with rising populist rage and anti-Obama scapegoating would likely lead to some individuals acting out in apocalyptic violence.”
http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/toxic2democracy/index.html

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Pope Epopt - January 11, 2011

Ah, but you are clearly a NWO agent determined to discredit the truther reality with random factoid illuminated mind-worms!

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14. Pope Epopt - January 11, 2011

I note that the automatically generated links (whatever they are) on this post include “Free Applications to Turn Your Webcam into a Surveillance System”.

Damn, they are on to me! Expect to find me hanging from a bridge somewhere with one trouser leg rolled up.

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WorldbyStorm - January 11, 2011

You are a werebat? 🙂

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