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Nationalising Anglo Irish Bank January 16, 2009

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Irish Politics.
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Meanwhile as regards the nationalisation of Anglo Irish Bank (rumour of which arrived here early yesterday evening). Got to say that this was a tragedy foretold. Yet again the government is forced kicking and screaming to adopt precisely the same approach as other governments internationally, and yet once more we have this weirdly mean-minded right of centre inability to think beyond the nostrums apparently laid down by the Progressive Democrats.

There is more than a little truth to the charges that this is a further demonstration of the palpable incompetence of our current rulers. For some months we’ve heard how the financial sector is sound, buoyed up by various arms length (but very real) financial interventions. Now we know. And the truth is that either the government knew this but chose not to act late last year, or worse didn’t know until recently. As Joan Burton of the Labour Party noted last night:

…an unknown quantity of bad debt, running to billions of euro, had now effectively been taken on by the exchequer.

“From the very outset, the Government’s approach has been based on avoiding the full nationalisation of Anglo, and it went to extraordinary lengths to that end,” said Burton.

“Only a few weeks ago, the Government was prepared to pour €1.5 billion of taxpayer’s money into Anglo – a bank which now it says cannot be funded.

“The sheer incompetence is breathtaking. The damage to the exchequer unknown,” she added.

So our nationalisation, inevitable as it was, is another example of what could best be described as a corporate “socialism” where funds are disbursed apparently without limit to the financial and commercial sectors, but across the rest of the society are held back. The Seán FitzPatricks of the world walk away while we pay. And pay. And pay. With our services cut, our wages cut, our futures put on the line. And this pattern seems set to continue.

What a state we’re in. No vision, no genuine sense of compassion. Nothing but their self-defined bottom line.

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1. D. J. P. O'Kane - January 16, 2009

How long before the big two – B of I and AIB – are brought into public ownership?

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2. Hugh Murphy - January 16, 2009

Hugh – you will not be allowed to destroy every thread on this site spamming about your particular obsession. This isn’t politics.ie.

smiffy

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3. Tuttlinghorn - January 16, 2009

Hugh Murphy
“Obviously all of the working class would do business with Union owned companies and they would flourish”
Dream on baby. How many people fly Aerlingus instead of Ryanair because one has some employee ownership ? Apart from your good self , I would venture ‘not that many’.
Who are the Working class ? People with Jobs? (and who happily took out 100% mortgages and amassed as much overpriced property as possible..?)
We need dreamers – so dont give up, but if you think that Leinster House is currently akin to the ‘Muppet Show’, I think what you are proposing is more ‘Bosco’. No Thanks.

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4. Jim Monaghan - January 16, 2009

FitzPatricks declaration of Class war against the poor should be mentioned.It may be populist but his assets should be seized to part pay his debts.. He is not just another debtor.
Aside from that it is frightening. We are just abiove Greece in teh EU as regards financial stability. We have a headless government bereft of ideas. When things are done they are done badly and too late.. The opposition only know what is wrong.The far left cannot even unite on a Dublin candidate for the EU elections.

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5. D. J. P. O'Kane - January 16, 2009

>>>his assets should be seized to part pay his debts..

A capital (ho ho) suggestion. . .but you know it ain’t never going to happen. . .

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6. Montevideo - January 16, 2009

Good to Hugh being outed. Stifles very interesting and important debate on these topics.

O’Knae, you’re dead right, seizing assets of the bankers and developers is unlikely to happen unless real political change occurs (hopefully to the Left!).

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7. sonofstan - January 16, 2009

FitzPatricks declaration of Class war against the poor should be mentioned.It may be populist but his assets should be seized to part pay his debts..

Unfortunately, it emerges that much of the money he ‘borrowed’ from Anglo was used to buy ……… (ironic fanfare) Anglo shares: now valued at about 22c

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8. D_D - January 16, 2009

Jim,

At least on the much commented-upon, but actually never-decided, in the PBPA anyway, possibility of RBB standing against JH in the Euros, you heard it here first. It won’t be happening. Why this, and a lot more confusion sown about the PBPA and the joint locals slate, could not have been cleared up long ago is beyond me. Tell ’em over at Liam’s too.

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9. WorldbyStorm - January 16, 2009

Thanks for that D_D. Also appreciated.

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10. Daniel De Foe - January 16, 2009

I assume that Hughie Murphy had a posting up that has been censored. Is this the democracay what the people on this site are proclaiming is good for us. If you are going to censor him dont cherrypick his coments and rubish them, Either censor all hes wrote or dont censor any of t. Hughie has lost me when he talks of Stalin becasue I dont know what he done but seeing hes called several peo;ple on cederlounge stalinsitts your cherypicking of what he said must be an examlpe.

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11. Daniel De Foe - January 17, 2009

Montevidio, “to the left”!!! The fact that you believe in censorship and a union sacking its own members shows that you’re not even to the left of Maggie Thatcher

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12. Mark P - January 17, 2009

I agree with you D_D that the issue should have been cleared up a long time ago.

I have no idea why the PBPA (or perhaps certain people in the PBPA) floated it as an idea and then went into “neither confirm nor deny” mode about it. Unless their intention was to get people’s backs up or to use it as some kind of bargaining chip.

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13. Steve - January 19, 2009

The Irish economy has more problems than simply bank solvency, Irish households and firms are up to their necks in debt. Ireland inc. faces the future with a combination of both the public and private sector in hock for the foreseeable future.
While the banks are culpable, it is childish to restrict discussion to the likes of Fitzpatrick when so-called radicals today think that economic growth is elitist. We urgently need to expand public debate about the economy. The nub of the problem today is that social aspirations for prosperity are belittled. Radical critique seems to be happy to bark at the bankers and developers while ignoring the bigger picture – the prevailing disenchantment with modern life.

anemeconomy.info

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