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One response to the current situation… November 15, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

Still no clear statement from the anti-abortion organisations, or not one that I can find. But worth reading SPUC UK’s response for a sense perhaps of where this may go on the anti-abortion side.

No grey areas for them – and this by the way helps go some way to explaining the mind set of some of those who stood up in the Dáil in April and spoke with such certainty on the matter.

Paul Tully, SPUC’s general secretary, commented: “The full details of this case are not yet known, so we must await the investigations which have been launched before we can make definitive comments. What we do know is that miscarriage and infection can be managed by proper medical treatment. Abortion is not medicine – it does not treat or cure any pathology.”
Leading obstetricians with extensive experience in dealing with these situations have found that they can be successfully managed without abortion, while sometimes the pregnancy can be saved. This was recently confirmed at a symposium in Dublin by Dr Byron Calhoun, a US obstetrician

Ah yes, this symposium.


Mr Tully continued: “It is not ethical to induce delivery of an unborn child if there is no prospect of the child surviving outside the womb. At 17 weeks’ pregnancy Mrs Halappanavar’s child was clearly not viable outside the womb, as there is no scientific evidence that unborn children are capable of surviving outside the womb at such a young age. Rather than removing the protection of the womb from unborn children, the ethical response to emergency situations in pregnancy is medical treatment of the mother for the conditions causing the emergency. In the case of infection, this is usually timely administration of antibiotics. It is also not ethical to end the life of an unborn child, via induction or any other means, where the child is terminally-ill.”

There’s the unvarnished view. No ifs or buts. Unviable, viable, doesn’t matter. Woman’s health at risk, or not. The answer is still no.


1. Mark P - November 15, 2012

I’m not certain if this is a line that our local lifers can take, at least as their primary public message. It is, of course, what they think, but so far at least they seem to be going with the idea that this particular incident is already covered in Irish law and that therefore it should have no wider repercussions.


2. dmfod - November 15, 2012

That indeed is the Youth Defence/Ronan Mullen line & that of Caroline Simons of the Pro-Life Campaign on VB last night:



Simons was full of ’empathy’ etc. for women as per usual & claiming this was a case where there could have been intervention to save the mother, which if it inadvertently killed the foetus would not have been an abortion. She kept saying ‘this was a miscarriage’, there is was no question of an abortion. The God botherers are big on the doctrine of ‘double effect’ in cases like this.


Wendy Lyon - November 16, 2012

The OED definition of abortion. Clearly a miscarriage is a type of abortion.


WorldbyStorm - November 16, 2012

Not just the OED definition ‘spontaneous abortion’, but the medical definition of miscarriage… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

It’s deeply disingenuous of Simons/YD et al to pretend otherwise.


3. irishelectionliterature - November 16, 2012

I dont know if anyone saw Vincent Browne last night when founder of Youth Defence Niamh Ni Bhrian (formerly Niamh MacMathuna) was on. She was to say the least Odious.
Heres Ronan Mullens response in an Al Jazeera piece on the Savita tragedy.


irishelectionliterature - November 16, 2012

Thought the pro life crowd couldnt get any lower. Currently they are tweeting the Maternal death rates during childbirth in India.


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