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Sabbath’s Final Tour, bands we’ve seen and the one’s that got away. July 30, 2016

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Black Sabbath’s final tour arrives in Dublin in January 2017. This I did not know until last weekend. I’ve never seen them, indeed I’ve never seen any of the groups of that period – or not as such.

I don’t think Robert Plant solo in the mid-2000s – great gig by the way, and his dance tendencies were admirable – I kid you not, count? Or Page and Plant in the 1990s?, Kiss six or so years back (don’t ask) or Rush four or so years ago. Other than that I’ve avoided very large scale gigs. If you were to ask me who I’d like to see of those groups, well, someone mentioned AC/DC (by the way, I’m still amazed at the critical rehabilitation of them as a group. In the 80s their name was mud. Unfairly so, a great group in their own way, but to see the needle swing 180 degrees has been strange) but the era I’d have wanted was Bon Scott. Deep Purple I’d like to see – they released a pretty great album two years ago.

After that. Ah, not too pushed. I’m not a completist in these matters, and never been hugely fond of live music, it’s uncomfortable, too loud (by the way, on the Ticketmaster.ie website they now have the option of selling noise reducing earplugs – which is oddly impressive). Seen Hawkwind, and would again. Nik Turner, now there’s a man I’d like to see. Girlschool are still giging and that would be good fun. Motorhead I saw ten or so years ago.

The next wave of metal – sadly I’ve only seen Metallica. But again, liked them but never much of a fan. Megadeth, Monster Magnet I’ve not had the pleasure.

Once we get to punk and new wave – perhaps predictably, been at a lot more gigs. The Damned, Buzzcocks, New Order (by the way, doesn’t Paranoid, above, sound oddly like Joy Division at this remove?), Killing Joke and on the list goes. Same with indie, JAMC, etc, etc. Next to no electronic, bar Ulrich Schnauss and Orbital, which is odd given how much I like that genre.

When Springsteen was here there were many complaints about his not playing the ‘hits’, similarly with Neil Young. I’ve no particular interest in the former, would quite like to see the latter though would make no great effort to do so, but I have to somewhat admire their stance. Too often music seems to be about nostalgia and little else. But for artists who keep making music as Young and Springsteen do it seems almost perverse to demand they simply offer a ‘greatest hits’ package. And when they have such longevity which greatest hits? Perhaps after all it’s the whole thing of being glad they’re still going.

So what are the groups people would like to see? Or the one’s that people wanted to see but were either too young or weren’t able to get to?

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1. sonofstan - July 30, 2016

Thanks to my work life for a long time, I’ve seen any number of bands I never wanted to see in the first place – including quite a few you mention …..

Almost no one I can think of that it would have been possible to see that I have always wanted to, but haven’t: Vic Godard was a long time hero that I’d missed, but have now managed to see him 2 and a half times in a year or so. Still love going to gigs, but not anything in a field, or an arena, and no desire to see greatest hits packages.

It’s exclusive to rock and pop, the idea that artists have a golden age and then have to reproduce it for ever after: saw Martin Carthy a few weeks back, and he did maybe one song I knew from his records, and I have a fair few. Jazzers the same; interested in what they are playing now.

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6to5against - July 30, 2016

I totally agree about greatest hits gigs: no interest. But on the other hand I think the high cost of stadium gigs like Springsteen and Young kind of goes with the greatest hits mentality. If they’re not playing the hits, then maybe they should scale it all down, play Vicar St and charge 30 quid on. …

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6to5against - July 30, 2016

Btw, best gig I’ve seen in decades was a new or leans brass band in the sugar club last summer. Makes me wonder what other great small gigs I’ve been missing.

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WorldbyStorm - July 30, 2016

Hadn’t thought of it that way. Interesting point, again aren’t audiences part of this with expectations fuelled by nostalgia. Something I find very noticeable is how for people who don’t follow music past a certain point – which I completely understand – is how their tastes become huge chronological reference points for their lives.

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Aonrud ⚘ - July 31, 2016

There’s some interesting stuff around how different genres perceive ‘live’ music. I can’t remember the example now, but one group used headphone ports around the place so you could hear the gig with the right mix, as if the purpose of a gig is to precisely reproduce the recording. Obviously some would see that relationship flipped.

I’m pretty sure a folk singer who turned up and played through an album as closely as possible to the recording would get short shrift.

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WorldbyStorm - July 31, 2016

that’s brilliant re the group with the headphone ports. Amazing. That said how close or how far away? Listening to Ulrich Schnauss live a few months back I was curious as to what exactly was different each night and why.

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WorldbyStorm - July 30, 2016

Would love to see Vic Godard, know precisely what you mean re field or arena. Interesting point re golden age to rock and pop. The demands of audiences are part of this though arent they in relation to nostalgia?

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Dr.Nightdub - July 30, 2016

“Nostalgia gigs” can vary widely. The Stone Roses in the Phoenix Park a few years ago was so pitiful it was a case of “Ah could you not let our memories alone in peace?” whereas the first Blades reunion in the Olympia had an almost religious sense of ecstasy about it.

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Aonrud ⚘ - July 30, 2016

I saw the Watersons with Martin Carthy a few years ago, and glad I did since Mike Waterson is dead now. Would be good to see a Carthy gig though. I’m either lucky or jinxed with the folk musicians, since a lot of that generation are gone. I got to see Bert Jansch and John Renbourn (separately, that is), but it feels a bit like a last chance buying a ticket to a folk singer sometimes.

As per the greatest hits, it can still happen for folkies I think. Seeing John Renbourn and Jacqui McShee, there were quite a few familiar tunes from their early stuff.

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sonofstan - July 31, 2016

Saw jansch supporting Alison Moyet of all people. She was a huge fan, apparently. Audience was polite at best. Broke the rule of a lifetime and fan gushed at him and then remembered why I don’t do it…

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Aonrud ⚘ - July 31, 2016

I was at a gig of his where a couple of people kept requesting ‘Needle of Death’, only to be told off by the ‘true’ fans who knew he disliked and never played the song. It was quite a funny stand-off.

I’ve learned the lesson of the slightly inebriated attempt to talk to musicians as if I’m entirely casual about it. It does not work🙂

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2. CMK - July 30, 2016

Saw New Order in 1993 in the Point: not a great gig, but glad to have seen them. Saw Fugazi in 2002 and achieved a lifetime ambition. Barring the Beatles, that’s about it for me.

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WorldbyStorm - July 31, 2016

I know, it gets to the stage where one has seen enough or just about enough of the groups one really wants to. I’ve no list any longer.

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CMK - August 1, 2016

Went to see Radiohead out in a field in Kildare over 16 years ago and the security to get through to the arena put me off festivals for good. It was fairly alienating all of the searching etc. Neil Young was on my list for a long time but he played in Dublin in the late 90s and only played obscure stuff and really pissing off those who paid a hefty price to see him.

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WorldbyStorm - August 1, 2016

The price is mad for all this. The Damned play Dublin in a few weeks time – 25 euro which I think is more than fair. Anything big and it’s four or five or more times that.

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3. A. Pedant - August 1, 2016

There should be no apostrophe in ‘ones’.

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WorldbyStorm - August 1, 2016

You are correct. My apologies.

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4. Mick. - August 1, 2016
WorldbyStorm - August 1, 2016

Very cool.

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