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And for those eager to stay up all night for the results… November 8, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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This is useful, an overview from the BBC of some important results and estimated times as to when things hot up.

Slate has some estimates of voter turnout. Not sure how solid it is. Time will tell.

Are polls being added to the RCP poll of polls still? I can’t quite tell.

A live feed here from the Guardian.

Irish Times is here.

And Irish Independent here.

Or RTÉ here.

More links welcome in comments… Me? I’m off to watch the last two episodes of Continuum Season Two and after that we’ll see where we are.

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1. And for those eager to stay up all night for the results… — The Cedar Lounge Revolution | Anniemayaki's Blog - November 8, 2016

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2. sonofstan - November 9, 2016

Salon have some whizz bang doo Dah that can tell who is voting by tracking their phone and then matching it to demographics. High turn out of African Americans and Latinos apparently with obvious inference

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Hadn’t seen that, cheers.

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RosencrantzisDead - November 9, 2016

A fancy toy that tracks Hispanics and African-Americans via their mobile phones looks sinister in light of today’s events.

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3. Liberius - November 9, 2016

I’m off to watch the last two episodes of Continuum Season Two

A wise choice all things considered. At the very least Canada might provide entertainment superior to the terrifying idiocy that is American politics.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

+1 It’s a fine series. Loved one and two. I also like Mr. Robot a lot which it kind of reminds me of.

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4. gendjinn - November 9, 2016

Azusa, CA is reporting active shooter with one dead, 3 injured “near polling station”. Latest seems to be twitter.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Desperate isn’t it?

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016
5. CL - November 9, 2016
6. gendjinn - November 9, 2016

Michael Moore seems to have been right about MI.

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gendjinn - November 9, 2016

If not the entire rust belt. At 8 pm PST and Trump is winning FL, threatening to win MI, NV, NH. Within another two hours we should know if Trump is going to win.

Unlikely voters have turned out for Trump. FL counties are showing that Trump with no ground game blew through turn out estimates. Even while Clinton achieved her needed turn out. Caveat – FL grew by 15% since 2012 and that does not seem to be factored into the comparisons being thrown around.

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gendjinn - November 9, 2016

9:30 and it’s President Trump. Clinton needs to win PA/MI and the 2 CDs in ME/NE. Unless WI flips back to her then she has some breathing room. That is a very narrow path.

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7. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

I’m glad that I got some sleep.

I feel like I’m reliving Brexit again. The polls just don’t reach a representative sample in both cases.

At least this time I’m not particularly shocked.

Could this be the trigger for a new acute state of the crisis?

I imagine le Front National and the AfD will be feeling wind in their sails for next year. Or perhaps there will be a reaction. The eastern Europeans will be feeling very nervous.

Need to watch to the finishing line first.

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8. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Well Slate’s super tracker-thingy seems to have been way off, as far as I understand it.

This could mean not only a Trump presidency but Republican majorities in Senate and the House, along with a conservative supreme court.

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9. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

I wonder if there’s a large number of previous non-voters in among Trump’s supporters as there was for Brexit.

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10. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Trump on 264. I think that’s it.

Time to consider moving to Canada if you live in the US.

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11. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Geert Wilders, le Pen and Farage are all happy bunnies according to the Süddeutsche.

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12. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Still in California and Massachusetts you can spend the next four years stoned. Legally.

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13. CL - November 9, 2016

And so it came to pass that the rough beast, Donald Trump, slouched his way to victory.
It just happened here.

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14. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

From Naked Capitalism.

Foy
November 9, 2016 at 1:43 am

I would love to know what the Democrats internal polling showed in the last week or so as opposed to all the public polls and press which have proven themselves useless again. When did they realise they were in serious serious trouble and going down in key states, it would be fascinating to know.
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OIFVet
November 9, 2016 at 1:46 am

I think that one can get a fairly good idea by the locations visited by its surrogates. Based on these, I think that they knew that Clinton was in trouble.
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15. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

My genuine commiserations to everyone in the US, outside of Trumps circle of influence. I’m not sure what the consequences for the rest of the world are going to be, but it’s going to get tougher there.

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016

Sure. Trump is popular now, But as Rebecca West said about the laws passed by the Roman Emperor Diocletian, they

“made many people temporarily happy, but failed in the end and added greatly to human misery. I see no reason why this inferior modern copy of them should succeed.

Trump will have four years to “add greatly to human misery”.😦

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Le Pen et al are indeed crowing, this is yet another reactionary moment. I wonder if it’s all on Clinton though. The sheer weight of push back, not just Presidential but at senate and congress race level even taking into account issues in regard to representation might suggest a deeper broader tide flowing. One that has some element of rebuff to the Obama years etc. The implications for the SC etc are horrendous. And specific policy areas, labour for an example … Clinton was no picnic but this an untrammelled Republican party led nationally by this President. Hard to see any positives whatsoever. A

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16. CL - November 9, 2016

“the Dow Jones industrial average plunged about 700 points in volatile futures trading and investors moved their money into safe havens like gold as as traders reacted to the possibility of a Trump presidency.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/11/08/markets-election-night/93499832/

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17. CL - November 9, 2016

“So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.”
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/paul-krugman-the-economic-fallout

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18. Starkadder - November 9, 2016

As of 7:09AM Irish time, The “New Republic” sez Trump is going to be president:

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/138605/its-over-donald-trump-going-president

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19. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

The DNC chose the wrong candidate and lost.

End of story.

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20. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Russia Today is worth a look for the lols. As you can imagine they’ve gone a little bit ape.

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21. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

If Trump does look like pulling people or drones out of the numerous current wars, making some kind of rapprochement with Putin or goes soft on Israel, he’s a candidate for assassination.

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016

“making some kind of rapprochement with Putin”

I’ll grant that the other two would cause a ruckus, but there’s a surprising large amount of sympathy for Putin on the American Right-enough, IMO, to make a Trump-Putin alliance a viable possibility.

What’s the betting all the Republicans who spoke out against Trump will have a good fit of power-worship and become his most loyal supporters now?

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22. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

Wisconsin goes Trump by the looks of it. It’s over.

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23. eamonncork - November 9, 2016

Turns out ‘they’ ‘let him win after all.’
The horrors of a Clinton presidency are averted. What a relief. The white man will not be mocked in his own country.

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ivorthorne - November 9, 2016

Regardless of the result, the game has changed. On a worldwide level, we are in a similar position to where we were 100 years ago.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Yes, agreed IT.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Actually arguably somewhat worse in some ways.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

Just to note, everyone here this morning is appalled by this outcome. Some even more so because they’re closer to it.

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24. Gewerkschaftler - November 9, 2016

The German defense minister is ‘very shocked’.

“Europe with have to look after itself more.” she says.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

One unintended consequence could be a shoring up of the EU. It’s no great shakes but I wonder how popular going it alone will be after this years events.

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25. Starkadder - November 9, 2016

7.33 AM: AP reporting Donald Trump is elected POTUS.

https://twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Oh bloody hell. We truly are living through awful times.😦

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

+1

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26. gendjinn - November 9, 2016

Clinton has conceded by phone to Trump.

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27. Starkadder - November 9, 2016

A few days ago, Julian Assange said Trump had “no chance of winning” the election:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3678787/julian-assange-says-trump-cannot-win-elections-he-has-no-establishment-support/

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28. RosencrantzisDead - November 9, 2016

Well, fuck.

It gets worse: republicans have a majority in the Senate and the House. He has no brake on his looney policies now.

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29. eamonncork - November 9, 2016

Ah well at least it puts the old ‘Danny Healy Rae getting elected in Kerry makes us the laughing stock of the world’ line in perspective.
I’m knackered after it.

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016

All the “alt-right” types who supported Trump will have a candidate sympathetic to their views running the most powerful nation on earth.

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016

“Door’s open, boys!”

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30. eamonncork - November 9, 2016

Hang on, there’ll be someone along with an encouraging result for the left line before lunchtime. Revolt against the elites and all that.

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Starkadder - November 9, 2016

No doubt there was some Ancient Roman version of Zizek running around saying “Why Spartacus supporters should welcome the coming to power of Caligula”.

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eamonncork - November 9, 2016

1. We really are sold a bill of goods by American culture. People on this side of the Atlantic spend an enormous amount of time and energy devouring the latest Hollywood hits, the latest highly praised HBO series, the latest big American social novel about ‘the way we live now.’ Yet none of those things ever showed us anyone who might vote for Trump let alone a country which would elect him as President. So the time spent examining these things is wasted, there is a fundamental dishonesty about them. And this I think is interesting because so much stuff here is predicated on the idea that following America is the only way to go.
2. I wouldn’t say, with the greatest of respect Wbs, that everyone here or who’ll be on here today is disappointed by the result. I may be wrong on that.
3. I think cultural stuff contributed too. All that Straight White Men hyuk hyuk hyuk stuff was always going to provoke a backlash and that contributed to the result. I’m not sure that all the ‘look at the Hispanics voting in Nevada, this is a completely different electorate’ stuff might not have been counter-productive.
4. This is a massive boost for the lads who used to come on here and argue for ‘an honest debate about immigration.’ It emboldens awful reactionary elements everywhere.
5. If you can’t beat them join them. Hand me my Toby Keith CD and my NASCAR baseball cap. I vote we reconstitute the CLR as a Bible Studies Group.

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irishelectionliterature - November 9, 2016

You’ve a point there and I’d add travel to that. I imagine an awful lot of Irish people have been to the US but it’s so vast they are more than likely to have been to Florida, New York, Boston , Vegas etc than anywhere else.

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sonofstan - November 9, 2016

Agreeing with RyanTubridy is a new thing, but he’s just described driving from New Orleans to little rock during the summer and seeing dead towns and veterans begging by the freeway exits and saying that NY and DC don’t see this America. I did the same territory nearly ten years ago, and small town Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas are maybe the poorest places I’ve ever seen, even including the immediate post soviet Russia.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

My uncle who is a priest wound up in the 60s in the Appalachians said the area was the most poverty stricken he ever worked in. Completely abandoned by parts of the us

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Michael Carley - November 9, 2016

I made that sort of trip in 1996 (DC to New Orleans to Saint Louis to Chicago by road) and the difference between the major cities and even Saint Louis, never mind the small towns was enormous. On top of that, in DC and Chicago I was talking to university graduates from `elite’ universities and was struck by their condescension to anyone much poorer than them, black or white.

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sonofstan - November 9, 2016

Yeah, I ended up in East St Louis and until I saw the Wire I never saw that America represented. And completely agree about the condescension; for a country that thinks it’s egalitarian, the contempt for the poor makes tory England look nearly caring.

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WorldbyStorm - November 9, 2016

You called it IEL the other day. Kudos.

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