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What you want to say – 28th September 2022 September 28, 2022

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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. Tomboktu - September 28, 2022

union leader answers question on the vote n the part deal

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 28, 2022

What is the ‘this’ in the ‘had they known this’ please?

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 28, 2022

Ah ok. I see it… the increase in forecasted inflation for 2023.

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Tomboktu - September 28, 2022

Good point. Here is the comment by Kevin Callinan, general secretary of Fórsa and president of Congress, that started the discussion.

“Opening his Budget speech @Paschald revealed a big increase in his department’s forecast for 2023 inflation. Up from 3% to more than 7%! If this turns out to be the case, it will place huge importance and pressure on wage bargaining next year in the private and public sectors.“

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2. banjoagbeanjoe - September 28, 2022

“Hand crafted mostly in the Republic, as it is styled, and the polity directly to the north-east…”

Just spotted the new strapline. No comment.

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3. Blade Sprinter - September 29, 2022

The Guardian:

“Offering well-remunerated posts on the governing boards of Russian state-owned enterprises … has long been an important element of the Russian government’s efforts to gain undue political influence on EU member states,” states the original proposal drafted by Germany’s government. “We should put an end to these attempts of strategic corruption.”

I wonder if this phenomena is limited to the boards of Russian state-owned enterprises….

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WorldbyStorm - September 29, 2022

😉

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4. gbeecham - September 29, 2022

Looks like the SDLP and Fianna Fáil have finally gone their separate ways again.

In other words, nothing has changed.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sdlp-ends-three-year-partnership-with-fianna-fail-as-party-examines-poor-assembly-election-results-42025139.html

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WorldbyStorm - September 29, 2022

Interesting – Had wondered if that would happen!

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8. Blade Sprinter - September 29, 2022

Coolio was mistakenly booked on RTÉ’s Open House in 2002.

Absolutely have to watch to the end.

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WorldbyStorm - September 29, 2022

That’s hilarious. The production crew. What were they thinking?

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Blade Sprinter - September 29, 2022

Looked like yer man in the grey hoodie was a fan and has probably dined out on the story since.

Fair crack to the crew for giving it a lash and doing a decent job of it. And would love to know the conversation leading up to the crew becoming dancers.

“Was that *yer* ma shakkin her ass with Coolio on the TV yesterday?”

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WorldbyStorm - September 29, 2022

And what did Coolio make of it?

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9. Tomboktu - September 29, 2022

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WorldbyStorm - September 29, 2022

Brilliant.

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10. Tomboktu - September 29, 2022

One of the gardening vloggers I follow is buying a new polytunnel. The supplier sends some extras like a book and a chart on what to sow when and a packet of seeds.

And a teabag.

The teabag is so you have something to drink while you sit down and read the assembly manual before you start to erect your polytunnel.

(Mind you, the vlogger says they could have put in half a bottle of gin!)

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 29, 2022

I collected fallen cherries from some trees by the canal at Binn’s Bridge in Drumcondra, opposite the great Brendan Behan statue. Those trees produce incredible amounts of dark cherries. I stuck the seeds in a pot only a couple of months ago. And they grew like mad. So I’ve repotted them now. Which will come first, a UI or cherries on my little trees I wonder?

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11. Jim Monaghan - September 29, 2022

Postponed : Ireland-Ukraine : International Solidarity of the Left – Public Meeting Tuesday October 4 2022

Tomás Ó Flatharta
Looking at Things from the Left

Ireland-Ukraine : International Solidarity of the Left – Public Meeting Tuesday October 4 2022, 7.000m, Teachers’ Club 36 Parnell Square West – Russian Troops Out of Ukraine Now
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Yuliya Yurchenko – an active supporter of the European Network for Solidarity with Ukraine (ENSU) – speaks at this Dublin meeting along with Irish trade union speakers and others. https://ukraine-solidarity.eu/

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JIm Monaghan - October 3, 2022

Cancelled due to illness of main speaker

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12. banjoagbeanjoe - September 30, 2022

Great quip from FG’s Patrick O’Donovan on the radio just now. He was debating with SF’s Pádraig McLoughlin about the budget and the govt’s vs SF’s proposals. He said that Pádraig McLoughlin and Pearse Doherty appeared to be closer to the Tory party than to Tory island.
Now I’m no FGer nor SFer but I do enjoy a good bon mot. O’Donovan shows promise in that regard.

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13. roddy - October 1, 2022

Sindo poll. SF37 FG21 FF17 PBP4 GP3 SD3 Lab3 Aon3

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

Boredom with consistently high SF numbers not yet set in? 😉

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roddy - October 2, 2022

I yawn every time I see a poll now.I wish SF would do something stupid and drop a few points so I could start urging them upwards again!

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

Hahah, yeah. Don’t think they’ll do anything too stupid from here on in!

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 2, 2022

It’s funny. The newspapers keep pushing headlines and stories to try to damage SF. Week after week. So today there’s headlines in the Indo… how did Mary Lou and her husband acquire their comfortable home on their modest incomes and Jonathan Woznit, from SF councillor to facilitator of gangland murder (with photo of said councillor with Mary Lou, of course).
Week in, week out.
And week in, week out, SF continue to rise in the polls.

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14. Tomboktu - October 1, 2022

yikes

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Aonrud ⚘ - October 2, 2022

It’s a little-known loophole, like the way squatters’ rights kick in after a number of years. If you can get them to follow you for 20km, they’re yours.

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15. Tomboktu - October 2, 2022

On the Glider this evening, a dad modulating his 2-year-old’s excitement at a construction crane, told him not to shout “Oh My God”. The boy then said in a normal voice “Oh dear”, and was not corrected, so he moved to saying “Oh My Dear”, which was tested through increasing loudness and intensity.

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16. roddy - October 2, 2022

Mrs Roddy’s neice was warned by her mother about swearing being “not nice”. She had never been inside a church at this stage until one day she accompanied her mother and Mrs Roddy to a funeral of all things.On the way home Mrs Roddy heard her whisper to her mother – “Mammy ,the priest said “Jesus Christ”!!!

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17. sonofstan - October 2, 2022

Steve Baker is apologising to Ireland for not always being a good neighbour. Now I know this is all a bad dream.

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

🙂

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18. sonofstan - October 2, 2022

Apropos of nothing much except I came across it while looking for something else: this is from an interview with Bob Geldof in HP in 1990 where he rants about the ‘selfishness’ of the modern world. His example?

The late Seventies were immensely selfish and greedy and you had Britain brought to its knees by a bunch of c*nts who wouldn’t even bury dead people. Like I lived there when the streets were piled up with litter for a half per-cent extra pay. That’s greed. It isn’t revolution no matter what way you cut it.

Later in the same interview, he dismisses Joe Strummer for ‘knowing nothing about politics’.
Once a Tory, always a Tory.

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

+1 What a complete tosser. Hadn’t heard that one but no surprise really. Southside lad, Irish upper middle class, it’s the old thing isn’t it many/most people return to their class position (that is is if they even leave it). Never liked the Boomtown rats either.

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

And to add saw Trouble Pilgtims in East Wall last weekend and they are a political band and the Radiators before them in a way the Rats couldn’t begin to be

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

Yeah, although… without giving too much away, I’ve been looking at a lot of interviews with Irish bands in the 70s/80s and it’s amazing how defensive people could be about politics and class: many, including Chevron, dismiss the politics of punk in the UK as ‘posing’ and loads of them seem to thnk that pointing out Strummer’s relatively privileged background proves something.

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2022

What do you think accounts for the defensiveness?

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6to5against - October 3, 2022

Was their any sort of coherent political ideology in punk? I remember Red Wedge etc, but I’d put that a bit post- punk, though it might have contained punk bands.
I suppose what I mean is, who were they dismissive of?

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

Forthcoming…
I’m working on it – it’s complex: some a quite sincere avoidance of simplifying complicated situations, some the fact that, unlike their peers in the UK, bands in Ireland tended to be more middle-class, or at least less class conscious. It’s not just an Irish thing either: one thing I’ve noticed is that when I mention punk to people in many European countries, they see it as a rich kid thing, especially then (1970s/80s) – Spain especially and the culture of La Movida after Franco.

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 3, 2022

Always remember a funny story my mate told me. A classic Irish Spinal Tap exchange. He still doesn’t know if it was a pisstake or not. He was listening to one of the pirate stations back in the day (late 70s?) and there was a band on playing and being interviewed. Some kind of Irish reggae band. They played their song. It was called Repression in Society. The lyrics were basically Repre-ssion in Soci-et-y over and over. When they’d played the final note the interviewer said “That’s a great song, what’s it called?” “Oh it’s called Repression in Society”. “Right, yeah, and what’s it about?”. “Eh, it’s about, like, repression in society, y’know.”

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mal - October 3, 2022

I have a lot of thoughts about this but I have some groceries to get. In fairness to the Irish punk bands, they were dealing with a different political and economic situation to the UK punks & couldn’t respond the same way.

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

@mal – I agree it was different, but there were some things in common, and it wasn’t just not responding in the same way, but quite often completely ducking any question of locating what they did in any social or political context. I’ve been going through interviews and reviews and so on, and there’s a tangible discomfort in a lot of it.

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alanmyler - October 3, 2022

SoS are these interviews in the HP? I haven’t read it in quite a long time but last time I bought a copy, maybe 10+ years ago, I was struck how completely neoliberal it’s founder / editor-in-chief came across in his worldview. So there might be an editorial skewing of things in the mix also?

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

@Alan – yeah, HP, from the 80s/early 90s mostly.
TBF, there’s a variety of political perspectives on offer: Eamonn McCann had a regular column as did Michael D. and it’s nice to be reminded that the latter was not quite as cuddly as he looks now. But you’re not far off regarding Stokes’ liberalism – it was always a mixture of socially progressive, economically boosterish. I’ve something longer in the pipeline about all this….

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

@6to5 – there was quite explict politics in some punk: particularly to do with race, and bands such as the Clash and others were an influential force in Rock against Racism and the Anti-Nazi League. (quick answer – there’s a lot more)

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sonofstan - October 3, 2022

@BJBJ – Zebra, maybe?

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 3, 2022

Looks like it. Song called Repression mentioned here. https://www.irishrock.org/irodb/bands/zebra.html

Must ask my mate does he even remember telling me that story!

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alanmyler - October 3, 2022

It’s on youtube. The song, not the story.

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 3, 2022

Cool. Can’t make out much of the lyrics. But there’s politics in the video. Anything that prompts people to think about prison is cool by me.

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alanmyler - October 2, 2022

Agree completely that Geldof is a tosser but the first Rats album is really good despite that. I think we discussed it a year or two ago when that Rats documentary was on TV so I won’t go into it again. And on the topic of dodgy front men, we went to see Zooropa, a U2 tribute band, playing in Dublin last night. Brilliant gig, naff as feck of course, absolutely no artistic authenticity, but the band are great and they give it welly, nobody takes it too seriously and it’s great to have a bop and a sing-along to the hits without having to sell a kidney to see the real thing.

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2022

Very true, there’s a really good argument to be had about tribute bands. I’ve seen brilliant tribute bands. As good as the real thing.

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roddy - October 2, 2022

A tosser on the North too.

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WorldbyStorm - October 2, 2022

Mixed views 😉 I’ll not deny there are individual songs that are good!

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mal - October 3, 2022

In what world was it that unions that “brought Britain to its knees”? They were more powerful then but whatever the rights and wrongs of specific pay disputes, British unions weren’t steering the ship.

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19. yourcousin - October 2, 2022

This tweet got me thinking. Is there collective and individual responsibility for governmental acts? Especially if you’ve actively opposed them (ie demonstrated, voted, organized etc). I often think back to a strawbs song, “the hangman and the papist” in which a soldier hangs his own brother.

In the end of the song, the soldier asks for individual forgiveness for a collective action (ie collective guilt). I always think about this. Especially in terms of conflict.

Now in fairness I’m back on a Flannery O’Connor kick because I was trolling my son’s online interactions with friends. IE he made one of his friends swear (to God) not to smash up their house in Terreria. I cited the example of the Bible salesman from “Good Country People” as to why those oaths mean nothing. Faith is actions, not words.

At which point both my wife and son yelled at me and I retreated back to washing windows.

But the idea of compromised, fallen people in a world awash with very real existential crises always makes me think. It is very easy for say Jeremy Corbyn in his interviews to say he feels for the Ukrainians AND the Russian conscripts. But at the heart of it, only is in someone else’s country killing people.

Don’t have an answer, just something I’m ciphering on Sunday afternoon.

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 3, 2022

I had a conversation with a Ukrainian woman recently. She had come here a few months before the war started. She was selling charity subscriptions door to door. We talked about the war and in the course of the conversation I said something about feeling sorry for or not blaming ordinary Russians. She said she used to feel that way too but she doesn’t anymore.

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20. roddy - October 2, 2022

Brazilian voters in Ireland voted 73% left with only 17% for the right wing incumbent,

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21. Tomboktu - October 3, 2022

The Nobel Prize for physiology or medics had been awarded to Svante Paabo, whose work I had heard of and read a bit about well before today.

He led work that created generic profiles of ancient humans (after few false start where the genetic profile had a suspiciously modern mix, explained by contamination of the samples with DNA from the researchers), neanderthals, and a new species of human, the denisovans (named after the cave in Russia where the fragment of a finger binge was excavated).

Many videos of his talks are accessible and I recommend them to those interested (and those of his colleague Johannes Krause, who did his MSc at UCC).

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banjoagbeanjoe - October 3, 2022

a finger binge…the mind boggles

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22. Tomboktu - October 3, 2022

Might interest some CLRers

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24. Tomboktu - October 4, 2022

Not so much ‘heck’, or even ‘damn’

Garda tweet now deleted but a screen shot survives

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WorldbyStorm - October 4, 2022

🙂

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25. sonofstan - October 4, 2022

The finace ministers of the three devolved administrations in the UK sent a joint letter to the chancellor last week. The Welsh and Scottish ministers both had their titles in two languages, whereas Conor Murphy had to be content with English. The resistance to respect for the Irish language in NI really is mindless.

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WorldbyStorm - October 4, 2022

+1 – atavistic reaction to my mind

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26. yourcousin - October 4, 2022

RIP Loretta Lynn

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Tomboktu - October 4, 2022

Thank you for pointing to that podcast.

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