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Nasty, very, very… May 9, 2018

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I thought it telling to read the list of attendees at the far right so-called ’freedom of speech’ march in London the other day. The ubiquitous Tommy Robinson was there, but not only but also:

…the leader of Ukip, Gerard Batten, the Vice magazine co-founder Gavin McInnes, the YouTube personality Sargon of Akkad, Anne Marie Waters of the political party For Britain and the former Breitbart senior editor Milo Yiannopoulos. 

You gotta wonder. Sargon – ahem. MY – ahem. Anne Marie Waters. And of course UKIP. Which by the by doesn’t leave much room for those who still regard UKIPs voters as expressing a crie-de-couer across the last few years.

But what a crew. And while some on counter-marches made the perfectly good point that the fact they were outnumbered by the ‘freedom of speech’ people, there’s the thought that you’d almost expect there to have been more. But then, in the UK the alt-right is still a minority sport, very much so really, and a performative one at that for the most part, and one hopes that next time out more people will be ready to meet them on the street in significantly greater numbers.

And in way Robinson did us some favours, because these people are much much more open about their true beliefs…

Robinson said: “The people of this country have been silenced for 20-30 years with the tag of racists. They have managed to silence people so that they are too scared to speak up when they see things that are wrong.

“They now realise that that tag is dead: no one cares anymore with being labelled racists.”

I’m not so sure about that. But telling that he’s happy to say this sort of stuff.

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1. Dermot O Connor - May 10, 2018

Sargon, that guy is a grade-A piece of shit. Idiot, to boot. One of those reactionary twats who hides behind the term ‘classical liberal’, and who likes to quote Orwell out of context.

Many readers of this site might be unaware of the changing nature of the word ‘skeptic’ on YT, which now means hard-right headbanger. Sargon is a classic example. The Dawkins/Hitchens fanboys have gone into full-on reactionary mode.

QUOTE: Carl Benjamin, whose alias is Sargon of Akkad, said the protest was against “totalitarianism, identity politics and Islamism, which is really the same thing.” UNQUOTE

No, you moron, they’re NOT the same thing.

Here’s a great 38 minute (!) takedown of Sargon, aka Carl, by YT’er Shaun.

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WorldbyStorm - May 10, 2018

I’ve seen that too Dermot, the thing about the term sceptic changing. It’s weird, I found that around the atheist blogs a while back that they were tipping into something very disturbing. And it’s not because they start at atheism but more where they were headed. Fanboys is precisely the right term. There was also a nasty smell of misogyny about that scene too.

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Dermot O Connor - May 10, 2018

(Atheist/Marxist) Terry Eagleton’s book ‘Reason Faith & Revolution’ has some good stuff on the inherently right wing positions of Hitchens and Dawkins (he calls them Ditchkins).

I’d specify ‘New Atheist’ as the reactionary wing of the atheist party. Actual atheists like Midgley, John Gray, Thomas Nagle etc have none or few of those characteristics; the new atheists are absolutely batshit. Their notions of history are downright oddball. Some of my favourite bloggers are atheists who attack new atheist shibboleths (they’re far more hostile to NA than theists). Tim O Neill is one:

http://historyforatheists.com

Tim debunks new atheist myth after new atheist myth, but it’s like pissing up a rope with that lot.

Thony Christie’s history of sci blog is another great myth-buster, but again, fighting myths that have been around since before we were born is gruelling.

https://thonyc.wordpress.com

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WorldbyStorm - May 10, 2018

Cheers for the links, that’s some useful reading for the weekend! 🙂 Eagleton is an intriguing character in himself.

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2. Gerryboy - May 10, 2018

Terence Eagleton in the 1960s was regarded as a ‘Catholic Marxist’. He edited a potboiler manifesto book titled The New Left Church. He has been a cultural commentator/theorist. His book on Literary Theory became a must-read for students of EngLit. He was an early critic of Postmodernism philosophy and its Deconstructionist application to literary criticism. He has, as mentioned above, taken issue with right-leaning atheists. A whizzkid at Oxford for many years, he was glad to get a lectureship in Manchester and get closer to his working-class roots. A Catholic by upbringing, he stated some years ago that he was in continual dialogue with Catholic beliefs and his radical political beliefs, so I don’t know if DOC is accurate in calling him an Atheist-Marxist in the above comment. Atheists can espouse a range of political beliefs. Some are a-political.

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Dermot O Connor - May 10, 2018

Thanks Gerry! I’d read him described as “a lethal combination of Marxist and Catholic” (but that was a polemic from a critic, so took it as bad faith).

Was struck by his very elegant exegesis of christian belief in that book mentioned.

I’d read him described as an atheist before (got into a spat with Dawkins over the suggestion that an ‘atheist temple’ should be constructed); a wonderful piece of agitation / shit-stirring, as Dawkins clearly is a repressed Puritan / witch-burner of the first order.

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3. ECAW's blog - May 11, 2018

Do you really think it helps your cause calling everyone who disagrees with you right wing? Students might buy it but grown ups just shake their heads.

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WorldbyStorm - May 11, 2018

Are they calling everyone ‘right-wing’? Or is the term appropriate in the examples chosen? Because if the latter, it’s not an issue of students or grownups. And I think it is fair to say that both Hitchens and Dawkins would have aligned with clearly right wing positions on certain issues across the years. Moreover the clear ideological stance of those attending the march in the OP was… well, not just right-wing but clearly far right to fascist.

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Dermot O Connor - May 11, 2018

ECAW, does it help your cause to call everyone who disagrees with you a child?

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