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What you want to say – 22nd September 2021 September 22, 2021

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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. Tomboktu - September 22, 2021

Ivana Bacik on a substantial slot on Morning Ireland today on a bill she and Rebecca Moynihan are propising to reform the law on renting housing.

It looks like Labour is looking to catch up with Sinn Féin on the housing issue.

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Tomboktu - September 22, 2021

The Government is not opposing the Bacik-Moynihan Bill. Now, is that because it doesn’t involved state money being invested in housing or because it doesn’t come from Eoin Ó Broin?

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EWI - September 23, 2021

or because it doesn’t come from Eoin Ó Broin?

Or that they’re going to ‘amend’ it into uselessness.

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2. Tomboktu - September 22, 2021

Why do I think that the advertising campaign from Facebook about personalised advertising isn’t so much about getting advertisers to buy advertising from them but more about creating a culture of acceptance of firms using personalised targeting data?

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3. Jim Monaghan - September 22, 2021

Objections to all sorts of things confuse me.. Is tehre some kind of agenda behind this. https://www.echo.ie/anger-after-st-aengus-older-persons-project-gets-green-light/?fbclid=IwAR14jY4gKWUUJb8KHuGeJzSEBdejeANTXN9ZI-4ONqGMRNmA6x3VDjS0yqk “At the monthly meeting of South Dublin County Council, three proposed social housing projects for independent living for older persons at St Aengus’ Green in Tallaght, St Ronan’s Crescent in Clondalkin and Pearse Brothers Park, Dublin 16 were voted on.

Nine-units at St Ronan’s was voted through before a motion of deferral for the Pearse Brothers Park site, submitted by Cllr Alan Edge and support by Cllr Emma Murphy, was supported with a vote of 17 in favour and 16 against.

When it came to the 12-units at St Aengus’ Green, a motion of deferral was submitted by Cllr Mick Duff and supported by Cllr Teresa Costello – two representatives that live in the area.

But this motion to defer did not pass, by a vote of 17 against and 16 in favour, with a councillor who supported the previous motion of deferral switching their stance for the deferral relating to the proposed Tallaght development.

This paved the way for the local elected representatives to vote through the development in its current state.”
Am I wrong in thinking that some not so nice nimbyism. And if so, how widespread is this.

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Tomboktu - September 22, 2021

Alan Edge, Katherine Zappone’s political legacy to the people of Dublin South West.

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4. sonofstan - September 23, 2021

This is a little depressing: ‘radical’ employer being less than willing to discuss anything much with a union.

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Fergal - September 23, 2021

Coupled with the prices of their books!
Unlike a proper radical publisher like AK Press which is worker run
https://www.akpress.org/

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yourcousin - September 23, 2021

Important to remember that the dynamics of power don’t change just because of politics.

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5. banjoagbeanjoe - September 23, 2021

Guardian writers much underwhelmed by Starmer’s vision.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/23/keir-starmer-labour-road-ahead-centre-fabian-society

Funny and quite sad at the same time.

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Wes Ferry - September 23, 2021

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6. yourcousin - September 23, 2021

General question for the Lounge.

How do the Union print shops work in Ireland? Like here, if I wanted to get some schwag for the job or an event or Union local you’d call up a shop and they’d make it up. In fact there are many unionized printing shops that specialize in Union schwag.

Curious if there are any unionized printing shops in Dublin that do this sort of thing, or is it uniquely American?

https://alliedlabel.org/

Link just for context.

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WorldbyStorm - September 23, 2021

Going to bounce this up to a post!

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 23, 2021

Not sure I understand the question son. What’s schwag for starters?
But afaik – the print industry here was highly unionised and the printers union was very strong up to a generation ago. But again afaik that has all fallen by the wayside now. Print union in the newspaper industry broken by the owners and their new technology. Printing industry generally I’d say largely non-union now.
I think there’s a difference too between unions this side and your side historically. Not sure how to explain this. Here’s a practical eg: Your brother when he was working in Canada as a facilities manager for a hospital, when he wanted a plumbing job done he’d ring the plumbers union. And so on for each of the trades. But over here the facilities manager would deal with a plumbing company whose plumbers may (or may not) be union members.
So to go back to your q: if you need a print job done here, you go to a print company not the printers union. (If you were a good socialist, you could talk to the print union to get a rec for which companies are unionized). And finally I wouldn’t be surprised if the print union has been subsumed into SIPTU by now.

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yourcousin - September 23, 2021

Da’,
What I’m looking for is a shop that is unionized. Here in America we have even cooperatives (like the aforementioned AK press) amongst others. Union schwag would simply be union t shirts, coffee mugs etc. As we say here, “build union, buy union”.

So another honest question. Are you guys all “open shop”? In which individual workers may, or may not be in the the union. Here, that would be called “right to work” (for less). We’ve gone over that before here about why that is a bad thing. Most of my time has been spent within signatory contractors. So companies are signatories to the union contract. So here the say print shop would be union and all the workers working there would be union. An “open” shop would have a union shop required to represent all workers who would not have to join the union to work in that shop. I imagine all the leftist organizations there with all of their posters ands banners would need them printed in union shops even over there.

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yourcousin - September 23, 2021

We have alot of companies like this here in the states

https://www.claspec.com/

Although, I feel they misspell “schwag”.

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sonofstan - September 23, 2021

My understanding of ‘local crew’ or stagehands in the US is that it’s organised as you say: you call the union – IATSE in most places, I think – and they supply the crew, and the chargehand is also the shop steward or whatever the equivalent is. Whereas here (UK/ Ireland) outside the West End and a few hold outs, it’s largely un-unionised and casualised, with crew supplied by a crewing company. I should know, I ran one…

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7. yourcousin - September 23, 2021

In the trades you have signatory contractors who go out and win work themselves. They then work with the union to man their jobs. Often times you’ll have internal cliques at the hall of which guys work for which companies. Certain companies will simply swap help every couple of years etc. While other guys on the bench are simply “bodies” ie they’re not worth a fuck except for when you’re buried with work. In pipe trades and some of the industrial work you’ve got a lot of boomers and travelers as well, but carpenters not quite so much.

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 23, 2021

When I worked as a bus conductor in Dublin in 1978, it was a closed shop. We were told by our trainer at induction that if we didn’t join a union “the men will refuse to work with you”. A lot of public sector blue collar services would have been closed shops at that time. Closed shop was probably a thing in big private sector factories at that time too.
Some kind of warped pro-capital view of ‘freedom’ has taken hold and become law since then. So I think a closed shop ain’t strictly legal any more. There probably are still effectively closed shops in public sector blue collar dominated services and some private sector too. But casualisation has taken hold as SOS instanced above.
Venceremos. Don’t mourn, organise!

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yourcousin - September 24, 2021

True, so back to the original question. I’m looking for a unionized print shop in Ireland? Any leads? I’m willing to do the foot work.

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 24, 2021

You need to learn to speak straighter son. So do I! I didn’t read that as the original question in your email. But it’s pretty clear now. I’m handing over to WBS on this one – he’s a printer or something like that 🙂

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 24, 2021

Here’s the union now:
Irish Print Group (SIPTU)
Address: 35 Gardiner st Lr 1 Co. Dublin
City of Dublin
Phone number:
(01)8743662

No email address yet. I’ll keep digging.

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 24, 2021

Fill this out.
https://siptu.ie/contactus/

Or email info@siptu.ie.

And, good luck with that.

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Wes Ferry - September 25, 2021

Printwell: “We are a community printer based in North Inner City Dublin. We provide a professional service that is normally found only in the realm of expensive PR and Ad agencies but at a fraction of the cost. We offer a one-stop-shop helping to take your project from the back of an envelope to the world – whether you’re selling pizza or peace.”

http://www.printwell.ie/index.html

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 25, 2021

Unionized?
What rates of pay?

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8. Tomboktu - September 24, 2021

Why are the Scott medals for bravery during the rescue of Don Tidey being awarded now, 37 years later?

(For that matter: Why is RTÉ not including the reason fur the delay in its radio and online reports? Or, if that is not known, why is it not trekking us it had asked questions of An Garda Síochána looking fur an explanation as why the awads were delayed so long?)

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EWI - September 24, 2021

Why are the Scott medals for bravery during the rescue of Don Tidey being awarded now, 37 years later?

Why is an 81-years-ago incident involving Guards being commemorated? Common thread to all three (including the attempts at an RIC commemoration) is the ex-RUC Special Branch guy who now heads the Guards.

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roddy - September 25, 2021

Because what happened during the Tidey rescue is disputed with reports of one fatality being due to “friendly fire”. Court cases and inquests were very rushed affairs and the full story never got an airing.

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EWI - September 26, 2021

Because what happened during the Tidey rescue is disputed with reports of one fatality being due to “friendly fire”. Court cases and inquests were very rushed affairs and the full story never got an airing.

I heard nearly thirty years ago, and off people who would be in a position to hear such things, that the Army account was that this was Guards firing wildly. That strangely no-one was ever convicted of these killings is telling.

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9. Tomboktu - September 24, 2021

Footnote no. 2 in this paper published by the US Federal Reserve is a humdinger:

Click to access 2021062pap.pdf

It reads: “I leave aside the deeper concern that the primary role of mainstream economics in our society is to provide an apologetics for a criminally oppressive, unsustainable, and unjust social order.”

(Mind you, the author does say “The analysis and conclusions set forth are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Board of Governors or the staff of the Federal Reserve System.” I think he should have added “(as if)” to the end of that disclaimer.)

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10. Michael Carley - September 24, 2021

If we’re talking unionized print:

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11. Tomboktu - September 24, 2021

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12. sonofstan - September 25, 2021

https://twitter.com/RD_HaIe/status/1441801881370640384?s=20

Evans had just been confirmed as GS of the BLP by a not all that convincing margin, given he was the only candidate.

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13. Paul Culloty - September 26, 2021

Looks like a right mess for forming a coalition in Germany, if this projection is accurate:

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Liberius - September 26, 2021

If anyone wants a regular updates for the projections and count then https://www.wahlrecht.de/news/2021/bundestagswahl-2021.html is good.

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Enzo - September 26, 2021

Pretty miserable result for Die Linke. Not too sure where they go from here. Their base has eroded massively.

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WorldbyStorm - September 26, 2021

At least the AFD are down. But the almost equally awful FDP are up.

Is the sense that Green votes have streamed from Die Linke?

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 26, 2021

Come in Gewerkschaftler. Ireland calling, Ireland calling.

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WorldbyStorm - September 26, 2021

+1

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jc - September 27, 2021

I saw a breakdown of where die Linke lost their votes to. About 600,000 went to the SDP and 400,000 to the Greens, with a scattering of less significant amounts in other odd directions or stayed at home. I

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14. The election in Germany… | The Cedar Lounge Revolution - September 26, 2021

[…] Paul Culloty notes the preliminary German Election results here. Liberius has a link to this excellent election returns/projections resource here. […]

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15. Tomboktu - September 27, 2021

Neale Richmond isn’t somebody who’d be favourably quoted on CLR often but, this is witty

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16. Tomboktu - September 27, 2021

Is it just in my work, or do people in other online meetings think that starting with “very briefly” means it’s OK to make a long speech?

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EWI - September 27, 2021

‘Very briefly’ just means ‘don’t interrupt the coming speech’.

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17. Paul Culloty - September 28, 2021

Bella Caledonia have written an excellent article on the Celtic Films farrago, where an American far-right production company have invented a fascist pseudo-history pitting Celtic ethno-nationalists against Roman globalist multiculturalists:

Fascist Fantasies and the Celts

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banjoagbeanjoe - September 28, 2021

Yep. All that controversy over whether the Irish were the first slaves. We were of course – the Romans captured the heroic Celts and enslaved them…and forced global multiculturalist Marxism down their throats.

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18. Tomboktu - September 28, 2021

Cheeky point from the CEO of Ryanair (the other one, not O’Leary) on the lunch time news just now: School economics, he told us, shows that when demand goes up, prices go up.

It would have been wonderful if Dobson had observed even one of the following:

(a) economics at a more advanced level than secondary school shows this happens when certain conditions apply and isn’t true in every case;

(b) that the price doesn’t rise by itself and it’s the sellers who choose to increase the price in a market with increased demand (like, oh let’s say, airlines at Christmas), and

(c) they do this because they can get away with it, not because they must, and there are plenty of examples of everyday markets for consumer products and services markets where the selling firms do not increase prices to extract greater profits from customers when demand has increased.

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EWI - September 28, 2021

Dobson, a middle-class son of Sandymount and past pupil of Newpark Comprehensive, might not be the best candidate to correct such things.

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19. Paul Culloty - September 28, 2021

The latest French presidential poll – Zemmour, bizarrely is even further right than Le Pen, with the Great Replacement, “ultrafeminism”, French national decline, defence of Vichy, and Islam among his tropes:

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