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Saving us from – er – fascism…the ICTU way. October 27, 2010

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics, The Left.
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As was noted to me yesterday by a long time contributor to the site, the Irish Times account of David Begg at the TASC conference about the trades union response to the crisis is quite astounding.

He believes we’re not like the French.

“Irish people are much more conservative. Social democracy has never taken root in Ireland.”
He said “most Irish workers would not thank me for creating havoc in Ireland as they would see it.”

Well, yes. Social democracy certainly hasn’t taken root in Ireland. But whether union activism is the same as social democracy is a different issue. And granted there’s some truth in the following:

It was “absolutely important for any trade union movement, if it purports to lead social movements, to align itself as far as it can with what the people of the country are willing to do.”

But, let’s not get carried away. What was the old WP saying, something along the lines of never be more than a step ahead of the people – something like that. But note that the crucial distinction is about being ‘ahead’, in other words leading, not staying at the same point, or even somewhat behind.

But it gets stranger if possible.

He said if trade unions pushed “what is perceived by the population to be a narrow class interest beyond what is good for the whole population, what you will create is a fascist backlash”.

Now this is remarkable. A fascist backlash? Really? From where? The state itself? The risen hordes of ISME and IBEC? The private sector? Don’t unions still organize there? Isn’t that where I joined SIPTU? Isn’t that where I remain in a fairly precarious situation, and fully dependent upon SIPTU to ensure my rights are upheld when and if my job goes to the wall?

And that despite the fact that unions have been all too slow to argue for the extension of conditions from the public sector into the private sector. And look now where that’s left us, that particularly craven and supine approach? A place where Eoghan Harris, tongue lodged firmly in cheek, but seemingly straightfaced to the none discerning observer, can suggest that Connolly were he here today would be arguing for conditions of some workers to be disimproved rather than arguing that the conditions of all workers should be improved.

And it gets better, in an ironic EH sort of a way…

They were engaged in “innovative ways of trying to get a message to Government that people are not happy with this direction without necessarily doing it in any destructive sense”.

Semaphore? Ouija board? Just what are these innovative ways, and what metric do we use to judge their effectivity?

Responding to criticism from the floor at a conference in Croke Park organised by social policy think tank Tasc, Mr Begg said that they campaigned for a “better, fairer way of approaching” the crisis with a 2017 target to reach a 3 per cent deficit. There were also “three major demonstrations, involving about 120,000 people on the street on each occasion”.

Which achieved precisely what? And he overstates entirely the current situation in terms of the discourse.

The problem “up to now was that almost all options were foreclosed on except this kind of four-year austerity plan”. He said “it has taken a long time to build on that but we have built to the point now where there is a debate in society about two alternatives”.

This was why the Taoiseach responded in The Irish Times on Saturday, “because he feels it is necessary to answer the question of why the four-year programme is the only available option”. But what was “most disturbing” was Government saying “well we have to start it like this anyway, and sure if it goes wrong maybe we can change”. He warned, however, that Irish citizens were confronted with “an austerity plan which is nasty, mean, brutish and short” and to stick to this course was “not only economically dangerous but politically unwise”.

Except that a discourse where the weight is on one side, or where the weight exercised is all on one side, is no discourse at all.

And in a way to posit this as a choice between France and nothing is as much an evasion as the idea that there is only a four year path of austerity or nothing. Glib certainty from the economic right is no surprise – even when such certainty is belied by a litany of policy failures. Hesitant but equal certainty from the unions… well, y’know.

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1. Drithleóg - October 27, 2010

Maybe the clue is in his surname. What we need now is a David Fight, not a David Begg.

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2. sonofstan - October 27, 2010

On why we’re not like the French:
PT last night talked to Parisians about why they’re so upset and all, and also asked a few of them about what they knew of the Irish situation. One young teacher came up with the following theory: we didn’t, at heart, feel we did anything to deserve the boom, so now we figure we deserve to be punished.

One interesting statistic came up as well: TU membership in France is a mere 8% compared to 35% here…..

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3. Justin Moran - October 27, 2010

Brilliant post. I am studying barricade construction techniques to protect my neighbourhood from the fascist hordes.

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4. ejh - October 27, 2010

While I don’t agree with the policy decisions he’s making, I can see exactly where he’s coming from about the fascist backlash. Given that just the other day there was the piece about influential people calling for sedition laws, and the suggestions about national governments, there are manifestly some nasty ideas and possibilities about.

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LeftAtTheCross - October 27, 2010

ITV news at 10 last night (first time I’ve watched in it years, honest) carried a report on Britain’s police force gearing up for “the terrorist threat”, new weapons and para-military training, and more scarily a loosening of the restrictions and procedures around firing of weapons. It was couched in terms of the growing threat from islamic terrorism, but one might guess it has more to do with the locally grown flavour which could arise as austerity spilts society further. There’s no islamic terrorist threat here of course, so it might not be easy to transplant that element of the fascist trajectory across the Irish sea without a degree of push back.

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ejh - October 27, 2010

I think it’s hgoing to manifest itself in very different ways in different places, but without either trasngressing Godwin or saying “it’s going to be exactly like the Thirties”, it must be evident that authoritarian and xenophobic political trends are emerging and that there’s also a large btendency to blame public spending, public servants and trades unions for the decline, pehaps connected to the idea that they have weakened the economy and the nation (you can see where this is going).

Now whether Begg can reasonably call this fascism, or whether he is exaggerating, or whether nothing very serious ever comes of it, I know what he’s driving at and I know generally that politics deteriorates in a longrunning economic crisis.

And perhaps because I feel vulnerable as a foreigner,I’ve been finding myself paying a lot of attention to various straws in the wind – big ones, like the Tea Party or Merkel on multiculturalism, small ones like a meber of my chess team “liking” Mil Gracias A Franco on his Facebook account. Or calls for sedition charges against the media. I don’t like it, it bothers me.

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LeftAtTheCross - October 27, 2010

EJH, is what you’re describing not a necessary part of the polarisation which occurs when the middle ground disappears, when the line that “we’re all middle class now” is no longer trotted out as a social sedative? The class war is intensifying and it won’t be pretty. But without it we’re stuck in Stepford and class compromise.

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Ghandi - October 27, 2010

” There’s no islamic terrorist threat here of course, so it might not be easy to transplant that element of the fascist trajectory across the Irish sea without a degree of push back”.

The fact that the Irish Army have been trained almost exclusively on a continuaous basis in riot control for about the past 2 years, coupled with the fact of no major foreign engagements shows that the state is gearing up for the inevitable unrest whenever it happens.

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5. sonofstan - October 27, 2010

I still don’t get it though: DB is saying we can’t take it to the streets because that would provoke a *fascist* reaction, that we then wouldn’t be able to combat? Is he saying that this supposed threat is potentially so strong that we daren’t provoke it? So our actions are to be governed by a threat, now barely discernible, but potentially so destructive of our liberty that we ought not exercise said liberty for fear of it?

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ejh - October 27, 2010

Like I say, that’s why I don’t agree with the policy decisions. But I do think he’s right to detect the possibility of some kind of ultra-right-backlash movement or government, in one form or another. (If only on the Latin American lines of a billionaire running for the highest office on a free-market and anti-communist, anti-union platform, with a lot of very nasty rhetoric. I think we can all think of a plausible contender.)

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sonofstan - October 27, 2010

OK. Scared now….

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Pope Epopt - October 27, 2010

I can think of one contender that it bidding to control most of the flights in and out of this country.

This could blow up very quickly, given the level of disaffection with representative democratic politics here.

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6. Hugh Green - October 27, 2010

If there is this risk of a fascist backlash -and, as ejh points out, this is not beyond the realm of possibility- wouldn’t it be a reasonable task for union leadership to advertise this as fully as possible, not least to union members, so that they can confront it and decide what to do about it, rather than organising appeasement on their behalf?

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7. mervyncrawford - October 27, 2010

ejh:
I apologise but I missed the call for the sedition laws. What was that?
worldbystorm:
I think the WP ‘strategy’ you refer to about being one step ahead is an unfortunate choice for your argument. While you emphasise ‘ahead’ I would dismiss that entirely and see in the ‘one step’ the real methodology of the Stalinist/nationalists of the WP as essentially the same as that of Begg & Company. Namely, misleading.
May i quote from todays World Socialist Web Site on the French working class and it’s so-called Left leaders:

“…The unions, far from defending the working class, serve as the most critical bulwark for the bourgeoisie and the state. They consciously support the efforts of the financial elite to impose the full burden of the economic crisis on the workers, fearing above all the emergence of a revolutionary movement of the working class. That is why they resolutely oppose a general strike to bring down the Sarkozy government.

The workers have demonstrated their growing frustration and alienation from the unions and their desire to utilize their immense social power to fight the government. The tenacious strikes and blockades by oil and port workers have been largely carried out despite, not because of, the efforts of the unions.

The official “left” parties—the Socialist Party and Communist Party—work closely with the union bureaucracies, the CFDT and the CGT, respectively.

Hence the promotion by the bourgeois media of the middle-class, pseudo-socialist “far left” organizations, led by the New Anti-Capitalist Party (NPA). Their role is to block the development of political consciousness, insist that mass protest by itself will shift the government and the ruling class, and cover up for the treachery of the trade unions. As the “left” apologists of the trade union bureaucracy, they constitute an increasingly critical asset for the bourgeoisie in its war against the workers.
The full complicity of the NPA in the unions’ efforts to betray the strike movement is evidenced by the silence of the organization’s chief spokesman, Olivier Besancenot, over the past several days. This is entirely in keeping with the NPA’s role of politically disorienting and disarming the working class.

Meanwhile, the bourgeois media is promoting NPA “intellectuals” to preach obedience to the union bureaucrats and surrender to Sarkozy. After the CGT announced it would mount only “symbolic” protests against police assaults on refineries, NPA academic Philippe Corcuff told Le Monde that he advised workers to limit themselves to “playful” actions.

The strikes can continue and broaden only on the basis of a new, revolutionary political orientation—a repudiation of the Senate vote and a struggle to bring down the Sarkozy government and replace it with a workers’ government. This requires a rebellion by the workers against the trade union bureaucracy and the so-called “left” parties.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/oct2010/pers-o27.shtml

The very real danger of counter-revoloution is created by the spineless ‘leaders’ of the working class.

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ejh - October 27, 2010
Jim Monaghan - October 27, 2010

All power to Mervyn, the true leader of the French workingclass.

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NollaigO - October 27, 2010

Jim
The ghosts of “Why we are not marching” themselves go marching on!

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Garibaldy - October 27, 2010

I feel compelled to protest at the description of the WP as “stalinists/nationalists”. Nonsense.

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8. Had enough - October 27, 2010

The Problem with General Secretaries

Jack O Connor and David Begg defend their record

The board of general secretaries, called the ICTU executive Council, was in “social partnership” throughout the Celtic Tiger period and for many years beforehand. David Begg, ICTU General Secretary, was a member of the board of the Central Bank from 2003 until a month ago. That time span covered the period in which Irish Banks were allowed by the Central Bank to borrow massive amounts of money abroad and to inject this into the Irish economy creating a disastrous property bubble. This bubble imposed massive housing costs on union members while pay was restrained under “social partnership”. Many union members are now in negative equity as a result and 350,000 have been added to the dole queues with significant levels of emigration resuming. Private sector employers now feel the power to cut pay, declare redundancies and force remaining employees to shoulder the extra work. Government has been allowed to cut public service pay both directly and through a fake pension levy and now the improvements in conditions of service which were fought for over fifty years are to be given away under the Croke Park Deal. The entitlement of public servants to permanency which stretches back to British Times was voluntarily conceded by the General Secretaries to entice the Government into the Croke Park Deal. This was in return for a no redundancy assurance(for permanent staff only) in the Croke Park Deal which was conditional on agreement to be redeployed possibly over long distances and even out of the member’s trade or profession. Worse still, the assurance runs out in 2014. Presumably further concessions will be required to ensure it’s continuation.

There is no law to force employers to recognise unions after over 20 years of social partnership.

Apart from some muted bleats to cover the rear end, not a single general secretary has mounted sustained opposition to the policies which led to this debacle.

It is not surprising therefore that David Begg and SIPTU General President Jack O Connor have recently felt the need to defend their stewardship recently.

Jack O’Connor’s contribution can be heard on the ICTU Website as he chaired the Lord Skidelsky lecture. Click here http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10161557#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=deniedbyhost&medium=10161557

Or http://www.ictu.ie/

David Begg made his contribution at the TASC Conference which was covered in Irish Times on Monday October 25 by Reporter Marie O’Halloran. Click here http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1025/1224281952146.html

Jack O’Connor said that the mistake that was made was to give members to understand that election outcomes (Election of Fianna Fail governments PH) could be balanced by social partnership. The unions did not do enough to ensure that “the best Minister for Finance in the history of the state, Rory Quinn”, remained in power. The clear implication was that there was nothing wrong with social partnership itself either in conception or content.

David Begg blamed the people not the General Secretaries.

“Irish people are not the same as French people,” he said. –It was “absolutely important for any trade union movement, if it purports to lead social movements, to align itself as far as it can with what the people of the country are willing to do.”– Mr Begg said that they campaigned for a “better, fairer way of approaching” the crisis with a 2017 target to reach a 3 per cent deficit. There were also “three major demonstrations, involving about 120,000 people on the street on each occasion”.—Irish Times

The contributions of the two trade union leaders are utter self serving rubbish. As part of a contribution to restoring trade unions as real fighting organisations, I intend to make a detailed researched response to these statements. For now I confine myself to a few preliminary remarks. It is well to remember that the basis of modern wages in Ireland was established by largely “unofficial” action in the victorious Maintenance Workers Strike of 1969. Only one of the 23 craft unions involved in the dispute was supporting the strike when the firms in Federated Union of Employers capitulated one by one. ICTU leader Jimmy Dunne had placed “protest pickets” on the strikers. The strike wave that was unleashed led to general workers and public servants getting bigger percentage rises than the unprecedented increases which themaintenance workers had originally achieved.

Irish workers have, indeed, some traditions that are different to those of French workers. Irish workers may have more difficulty getting started due to the traditionally disastrous nature of the Irish trade union leadership, but when they get engaged, pushing the trade union leaders aside and forming their own strike committees, Irish workers can be even more effective than their French colleagues.

The reality is that the Irish trade union leadership capitulated totally to neo-liberal economics over many years. While they said critical things, what they did and continue to do in their principal role as worker representatives underpinned the entire neo-liberal project. Nobody could be surprised at the failure of David Begg to insist on a minority report addendum to the Central Bank Reports even as late as 2008 when we were being assured by the Central Bank that Irish banks were “well capitalised” etc.

The earliest partnership agreements had a “pay restraint for tax reduction” basis. But union leaders allowed government to give the tax concessions to the entire population including those who were increasing not restraining their incomes. This ensured a big transfer of wealth from employees to employers, self employed professionals, those living on investments etc

After the end of negotiated tax concessions through partnership agreements, ICTU continued with pay restraint while massive tax loopholes were provided for the super-rich by successive governments including the 1993-1997 governments in which the Labour Party participated. The Fianna Fail/Labour government not alone gave an amnesty from penalties to tax cheats but actually reduced the tax rate on arrears as well!!! And Rory Quinn and Michael D Higgins continued in cabinet while this took place.

Were successive trade union leader just weak and stupid over the last twenty years? Colleagues should read the accounts of the Fas and HSE scandals. The number of former trade union leaders who hold public post-retirement posts and remunerated membership of public boards should also be investigated.

General Secretaries Must Be Made Accountable

General Secretaries are able to evade the control of even the most vigilant trade union executives and presidents. All my experience confirms this.

There is an urgent need to submit general secretaries of each union to election and above all to re-election at 3 year intervals. Union activists should fight for rule changes to implement this immediately.

Full time officials should only have an advisory role to lay elected trade union representatives on the ICTU executive Council

Paddy Healy 25/10/2010

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CL - October 27, 2010

So-called workers leaders have been assimilated to the power structure which caused the crisis and that is now attacking worker living standards as a ‘solution’ to the crisis.
The economic ideology, the economic structure, the financial system, and the corrupt political hierarchy that caused the economic debacle are as firmly entrenched as ever, in Ireland and in the U.S.
There’s a strong opinion in the U.S that if the Obama administration had been more assertively social democratic then perhaps a nascent fascist movement such as the Tea Party would not have developed.
In any case fear of a fascist backlash should not prevent anyone from demanding social justice and struggling to oust from power the ideas and the ruling stratum that caused the crisis. Enough. Let’s hope the growing anger can be channeled into a real political movement of resistance.

” Sir — Referring to Cathal McCarthy’s column of October 3, wherein it noted Des Geraghty (could it be true?) being appointed to the Central Bank Commission after what has gone on in Fas when he, Des, was on the board of that shamed institution during the laughing, partying “Celtic Tiger” days.

If these people continue to be appointed to boards, why should anything change as it validates their inaction and we will get the same results? The cliff edge beckons.

Noeleen Farrell,
Ashbourne, Co Meath
Sunday Independent, Oct. 17, 2010″

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9. Mark - October 27, 2010

Stockholm Syndrome.

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10. shane - October 27, 2010

“There’s no islamic terrorist threat here of course, so it might not be easy to transplant that element of the fascist trajectory across the Irish sea without a degree of push back.”

That’s true, and scapegoating immigrants for all our country’s woes is hard when emigration is more of a pressing topic.

There was a curious piece in TheJournal.ie by Declan Ganley a few weeks ago indicating a return to politics. Now I’m not accusing Ganley of being a fascist, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of his supporters weren’t a million miles away.

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11. Terry McDermott - October 27, 2010

Surely the point is not the threat of fascism, which frankly was nonsense from Begg, but the excuses for the lack of real leadership from the unions? You don’t need lots of social democrats for industrial militancy, in fact we had the highest strike rate in Europe in the 60s, and nobody thought it was because people were into social democracy.
February 2009- 100,000 plus on the streets, lots of anger at the banks, mandate for one day strike- called off.
November 2009- media offensive against public sector well in play, one day strike finally happens, fairly solid. Next one called off.
And that my son, is what your trade union daddy did in the war.

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12. Tim Johnston - October 27, 2010

I suspect Begg equates state repression with “fascism” – which is like a schoolboy definition of fascism, proving that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. On the other hand, the talk of sedition and “national government” is horribly worrying, although I don’t think it will come about. I hope I’m right.

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WorldbyStorm - October 27, 2010

I think there’s more than something in that about the elision of state repression with fascism.There’s plenty of authoritarianism that would be much more likely before we need to reach for Godwin’s law…

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ejh - October 27, 2010

It’s not so bad, though. We all called Latin American dictatorships “fascist” a generation ago, even though they lacked the mass movements which fascism had traditionally possessed.

The point is, you know what he’s getting at, even if you disagree strongly with where he’s going with it.

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Tim Johnston - October 27, 2010

I dunno ejh, isn’t Peronism fascistic? It seemed to have widespread support. It lacked the idea of palingenesis, which is really an element from Roger Griffin’s definition of fascism, and one which is not universally accepted.

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ejh - October 27, 2010

I wasn’t thinking of Peron, I was thinkng of Pinochet and Videla and Stroessner and Banzer and the rest.

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Dr. X - October 27, 2010

Fascist they were not, nasty they definitely were.

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ejh - October 27, 2010

That sort of ultra-rightism, by the way, with arrests and disappearances and death squads, strikes me as most unlikely in Ireland.

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Dr. X - October 27, 2010

I’d say the more likely outcome is a ‘tough on crime’ rhetoric taking over the political debate, once the economic scorched earth strategy is completed.

I wouldn’t like to be an activist, a trade union militant, or an ethnic minority under such an order.

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WorldbyStorm - October 27, 2010

Peronism was an utterly bizarre mixture, wasn’t it? Certainly not exactly classically fascistic. But with aspects of fascism. Populism really.

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Tim Johnston - October 27, 2010

But isn’t that fascism in a nutshell? The early fascists were adamant they were “neither right nor left” but something more “pragmatic”? Indeed they wanted to transcend mere politics. The odd thing is, Peronism had left and right wings!

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CL - October 28, 2010

What’s most peculiar is the tendency to lump ‘Keynesianism’ with the left just because it involves govt. intervention, and refutes free market fundamentalism, ignoring that it was Hitler’s Germany that saw the most successful application of Keynesian policies.

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13. DublinDilettante - October 27, 2010

The more grievous and obvious the crime, the more brazen the alibi must be. That explains Begg’s comments. The chances of popular fascism arising in Ireland in the coming period are vanishingly small. The fascism of the market is already well-ensconced, and likely to be brought to its apogee by Begg’s chums after the next election.

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14. EWI - October 27, 2010

The union stories I could tell from this year alone (WbS knows whereof I speak).

No hope in the existing ones. And any new one would first have to fend off SWP efforts to subvert it.

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15. shane - October 27, 2010

Re: Fascism and Ireland, some may find this of interest

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16. Tomboktu - October 27, 2010

I was at the TASC conference on Saturday and saw and heard David Begg make his comments. I think there are two things that might be worth knowing about the context in which they arose. (That doesn’t mean they would change your view on what he said.)

First, the Irish Times report ignored his scripted presentation. The report is based entirely on his response to a question directed to him from the floor after the four presentations at the opening plenary session had been given. That speaker from the floor had asked why Congress had not had protestors on the streets day after day like the French had. (That speaker from the floor had also said that a part of the solution to the crisis in the public finances would be to save €1 million by pulling seven Irish soldiers out of Afghanistan.)

The second point I think worth noting about the context is that one of the four speakers on the panel for the plenary session, Asbjørn Wahl from Norway, who had argued that a failure of social democratic parties to oppose capital and to effectively represent the working class created the conditions in which fascist and far-right parties could gain a foothold.

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Donagh - October 28, 2010

To provide some more context, I heard him make the same point about a fascist backlash when he was asked at a TASC presentation about the unwillingness of ICTU to standup to government more. Someone earlier on had mentioned Gramsci, and Begg latched on this as ‘evidence’ that such a backlash could occur here.

In Norway there is a populist party with a far-right agenda and there is a chance that they could make up a future coalition government.

So is Begg arguing that more militant action by the unions would lead to the sudden formation of such a populist party here? Or is he suggesting that such a move would push FF and FG further to the right, with the blueshirts leading rallies down O’Connell Street and displaying burning effigy of union leaders outside the GPO?

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Tim Johnston - October 28, 2010

Are you talking about the Fremskrittspartiet?

So, does “far-right” mean market liberal (like the FrP), or does it mean fascist/authoritarian/nationalist?
What bothers me is that some people have no intellectual difficulties lumping together ultranationalists with free-market liberals in the same political space and expect it to sound like a coherent argument.

If you don’t like market liberals or ultra-nationalists, fine, but at least give them credit for not being remotely the same thing.

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EWI - October 29, 2010

free-market liberals

I think I’m not alone in believing that “free-market economics” is mostly hard right-wing hocus-pocus in service of undoing the welfare state.

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Tim Johnston - October 29, 2010

Even if that were true, it is still the polar opposite of what fascists wanted, which was lots of welfare. Only for pure citizens of the Fatherland of course, but welfare nonetheless!

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17. Dr. X - October 27, 2010

That makes more sense, yes.

Meanwhile, on facebook. Some bunch of eejits have decided the time is ripe for an Irish Tea Party.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Want-an-Irish-Tea-Party/169986616346976

Whether this will involve grown men stomping on a woman’s head while their mate holds her down is not specified.

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EWI - October 27, 2010

Some bunch of eejits have decided the time is ripe for an Irish Tea Party.

Well, we already have a northern version (the DUP).

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18. ec - October 28, 2010

I read a TUI newsletter yesterday. It was worse propaganda than the Irish Times and full of almost incomprehensible doubletalk written in such a way as to convince me union has no desire to communicate with its members. If any meaningful strike in opposition to the government’s shoot the country in the head policies is to happen here it will have to be organised outside of the unions. They are ‘ex-unions’and full of scared comfortable auld fellas.

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EWI - October 28, 2010

If any meaningful strike in opposition to the government’s shoot the country in the head policies is to happen here it will have to be organised outside of the unions.

I can’t speak for other unions or other workplaces, but in my own the efforts to do nothing to have a successful vote strike were an education (and especially given the later Herculean efforts to get us to vote Yes to Croke Park).

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DublinDilettante - October 28, 2010

I must say the desperation of the bureaucrats’ campaign for CPA 1 gives me some hope. They’ve surely shot their bolt on that score and will have difficulty returning to the well for an ultra-draconian CPA 2, which is why Labour is so opposed to touching the agreement in government.

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19. Dr. X - October 28, 2010

Images of the French strike, if you need cheering up:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/10/france_on_strike.html

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Joe - October 28, 2010

Two funnies I read from France. A poster that read “On strike till we retire”. I’d love to have that in French, it would make a great tshirt.
The second was the quote from one of the striking workers: “I started working at 17. I’m 49 now and I’m just tired of it.” A man after me own heart.

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sonofstan - October 28, 2010

The old situ slogan comes to mind: Jamais Travail!
(Never work)

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Joe - October 28, 2010

I remember a graffito on a church in Lyons from my teens – Ni dieu ni maitre. Neither god nor master. I like that.

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20. Hugh Green - October 28, 2010

it was Hitler’s Germany that saw the most successful application of Keynesian policies

How so?

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CL - October 28, 2010

When Hitler seized power in January 1933 the unemployment rate was more than 30 per cent. The Nazis implemented a policy of massive deficit spending and within four years full employment was attained.

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Hugh Green - October 28, 2010

Ah, I get you. I was thinking more about what influence Keynes had had on the 1930s Nazi economy. What you describe was achieved primarily through a humongous rearmament programme. It was probably grand racial war, and not full employment, which was the basic objective behind this. So I’m a bit doubtful about what success means here.

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Tim Johnston - October 28, 2010

Not entirely Hugh. It was a huge public works programme of which, I think, rearmament was a small part. Don’t forget Volkswagen and the autobahns! Hitler and Keynes were contemporaries, it’s hard to argue that Hitler was a Keynesian or that deficit spending is uniquely so. Keynes admired some aspects of Hitler’s programme but such was the zeitgeist – Mussolini was widely regarded as one of the world’s great leaders.

I agree with CL’s initial point, that it’s peculiar to lump Keynes in with the left, although looking at TASC and other broadly left economic thinking in Ireland, Keynes is big at the moment. But a lot of mainstream economists believe that Keynesianism is mostly (if not only) useful during a recession.

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CL - October 29, 2010

The name of Keynes was well known in Germany because of his opposition to the Versailles Treaty. He even gave a lecture in Hamburg in 1932. It is highly likely that Keynes’ pamphlet of 1929 ‘Can LLoyd George do it’ was known in Germany. Here Keynes and his co-author Henderson show that public works financed by a budget deficit can reduce unemployment without causing inflation. Hitler proved this notion to be correct, as Joan Robinson has pointed out.
The more general point, that Tim Johnson points to, is that German conservatism was pro-state, and while it is correct to characterize Nazi economic policy as ‘Keynesian’, that policy had indigenous roots within Germany as well as very likely being influenced by Keynes.

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21. Hugh Green - October 29, 2010

Tim, the share of GDP growth due to the Reich military was 47% in 1934 and 41.6% in 1935. In 1935, state spending was 70pc higher than it had been in 1928 and that increase was ‘almost entirely due to military spending’. Also, the share of military spending in national income rose from less than 1pc to 10pc between 1933 and 1935. (All from Tooze, Wages of Destruction)

I agree that it is absurd to see Keynes as somehow left-wing, by the way.

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CL - October 29, 2010

The core of ‘Keynesian’ economic policy is that deficit spending is the cure for unemployment caused by deficiency of aggregate demand. What the deficit is spent on is besides the point, Keynes at one point suggesting, facetiously, that high masses and te deum would do. So saying that most of the Nazi spending was on war preparation is besides the point.

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Tim Johnston - October 29, 2010

I stand corrected, Hugh. although CL is spot on, whether for military spending or any other kind, Keynes was fairly clear that you could pay half the unemployed to dig holes and the other half to fill them in.
Although he also advocated the broken window theory, which says that war is good for the economy…..

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22. EWI - October 29, 2010

Speaking of deficits:

I remember when there was a credible plan to cut the deficit long term. It worked! It worked so well fiscal hawk Alan Greenspan decided deficit was better than surplus. And we had a massive tax cut. And then another massive tax cut. And then two lovely endless wars. The only people who actually care about deficits are Democrats, and then they reduce them and then the Republicans laugh because they have more room to do tax cuts for rich people and to lavish money on their favorite industries.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/10/license-to-steal.html

A lesson for Labour and other progressives/socialists/left-wingers in this?

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23. CL - October 29, 2010

“the necessity of debt-financed stimulus is not a position that necessarily divides conservative and liberal economists.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/10/martin_feldstein_on_the_stimul.html

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24. CL - October 29, 2010

Despite Keynes’s complacent acceptance of Nazi totalitarianism, his dedicated, long-term leadership of the eugenics movement, and his opinion of the working class as ‘mud’, nevertheless the analysis of the crises of capital by this renowned British Liberal contain many important insights.

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