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More on education… October 3, 2013

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Culture, Economy, Irish Politics.
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I got my hands on a copy of Business Plus magazine last weekend, and what a copy, as was noted in comments previously the cover has a photograph of the statue of Larkin beside the headline ‘Crushing Larkin: The Tycoon who saved Dublin from Anarchy’. More on that again perhaps – it’s not often one reads that ‘there was a heavy-handed police response to striker protests and meetings’… well, yeah, that’s sort of putting it mildly. And whether the Lockout can be recast as an ideological struggle between Syndicalism (and ‘Marxism’ at one remove, or not depending on how one interprets the piece) and democracy is interesting, not least given that the fundamental issue of union membership is sort of accepted as legitimate in retrospect, sort of. Except that right is not actually upheld in this state in full. In the meantime, and following on from Emer O’Kelly’s thoughts on education in the Sunday Independent at the weekend, the editorial is well worth a read, though not perhaps for the reasons those who wrote it might think.

It starts off as follows:

Free Secondary school education only became a universal entitlement in 1967. Without this perk, thousands of middle-class families could not afford their seaside aches on the sat and west coasts. For all taxpayers, including people with no children, free secondary schooling without any means test is a very expensive burden. The annual cost of the state subsidy currently runs to €3bn. That’s an average of €8,250 per student per annum, or just on €50,000 per child through the secondary cycle.

The downside for this model for the consumers – the pupils and their parents – is that they have no leverage with the education providers. The system is run to suit the state and the teachers and their unions. Thus educators enjoy three months holiday during the summer months, quality time when they’re not expected to engage in continuous professional development. The state dictates that all pupils are force-fed the Irish language. So this year six times as many Leaving Cert students did an Irish exam as took tests in German, a language that could enable them to secure a job.

And what about return on investment for the taxpayer funding the state’s generosity? Taxpayers would no doubt be hoping that paying for the education of teenagers will help them find employment, so they’re not a drain on state resources in later life. They might be disappointed to learn that one in four of this years Leaving Cert students [had] under 210 points from a maximum of 600. Sorry to say, but the taxpayers €680m investment since 2006 in these 13,700 individuals, – or more to the point , their schools and teachers – has not proved to be worthwhile.

Of the 52,770 students who sat this years’ Leaving, half of them accumulated fewer than 345 points. This total won’t get you within an ass’s roar of the universities in Dublin, Cork and Galway. in fact, every year only one-third of Leaving Cert students make it into Level 8 Bachelor Degree courses. The candidates who don’t get good grades are excluded from the prime university courses that feed into the professions and commerce, and the prospect of six-figure salaries in later life.

Why do so many students not make the grade? Is it because the kids are dossiers or is it because they receive crap schooling? Taxpayers, parent and students should have the right to know, but they never will until Ruairi Quinn and his education department publish exam outcomes of individual schools.

So many thoughts. Not least that many of us will be unaware that the only valid goal of an education system is to filter people into professions and commerce in order to make six-figure salaries in later life (I’m guessing on that scale most of us here are failures).

That stuff about ‘universal entitlement’ is is a most interesting line of argument, and one we’ve heard about third level. But I have to be honest, it’s the first time I’ve heard anyone paint second level in these terms in this state or in the UK.

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1. Richard Mac Duinnsleibhe - October 3, 2013

I have a couple of posts on the Irish education system up on my site, here and here, with another one planned for tomorrow. In relation to ‘universal entitlement’, from the first one:

It wasn’t until 1966, the fiftieth anniversary of the Easter Rising, that free secondary education was formally introduced in the Republic. But despite its constitutional claim to be a democratic state, the Irish State continues to fund teaching at exclusive private schools. In Enough is Enough, Fintan O’Toole highlights the fact that a fifth of all university students had paid fees at second level in 2008, and that 43% of students at UCD came from either fee-paying or grind schools. The attitude of the current government to education in line with democratic principles can be glimpsed in the fact that the 2012 Finance Bill allowed high earners to write off private school fees of up to €5,000.

In any case, ‘free education’ in the Republic of Ireland is a myth. Parents are forced to pay exorbitant amounts for textbooks. Supposedly ‘voluntary’ contributions are sought from parents to maintain basic facilities. The Department of Education sees nothing wrong with such contributions, provided it is made clear that they are not compulsory and of the parents’ “own volition”. Thus a parent can decide not to contribute to the basic upkeep of her child’s school, if she so chooses. The Minister of Education describes the relation between the State and the patron bodies of schools as a “a public private partnership arrangement”.

What all this means is that universality has no place in Ireland’s education system: the State sees to it that children whose parents lack access to economic resources, or who do not have a third level education themselves, are placed at a disadvantage, and wider society is under no particular obligation to contribute towards the education of other people’s children.

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2. sonofstan - October 3, 2013

Good piece Richard.
On the OP, the mask truly is slipping isn’t it? – I can’t really go into the details, because it’s remotely possible that someone might be identified, but I heard a couple of stories this morning from students about what they and their families are going through to fund 3rd level Ed here in England. I had to go out for a walk after one of them to calm down. A jackboot grinding George Osbourne’s face forever …….wouldn’t be punishment enough.

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Enya Rand - October 3, 2013

What makes it more maddening is that, after 3rd level education, for many of the graduates their chances of a anything more than a precarious living are rapidly decreasing.

Entry into a steady job is increasingly being made dependent of years of unpaid ‘interships’.

I wonder when the educated twenty-somethings (and increasingly thirty-somethings) will come to realise that systemic change is their only hope of a future?

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3. LeftAtTheCross - October 3, 2013

That SBP writer should have received more beatings in school. But I blame their patents for creating such a self centred anti social person with no sense of social solidarity. Shame on them.

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2013

Just to be fair and I should have been clearer I don’t think the magazine it wa in has any connection with the SBP…

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2013

Though agree, it’s a grim worldview

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LeftAtTheCross - October 3, 2013

Does the magazine list its publisher etc.? Curious to know who funded it.

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2013

Great question, Nalac Ltd. no sign of stablemates but go have a look at its wiki page, an interesting assertion can be found there…

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plus_(magazine)

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4. Jonathan R - October 3, 2013

“So this year six times as many Leaving Cert students did an Irish exam as took tests in German, a language that could enable them to secure a job.” One of the many sickening things about this article is the way it completely ignores that education is not simply about getting a job.

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sonofstan - October 3, 2013

You didn’t read it properly: it’s not just about getting a job….it’s about getting a job with a 6-figure salary.

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LeftAtTheCross - October 3, 2013

It seems that only Germany offers employment opportunities too. So is emigration a lifestyle choice or an essential career path stepping stone?

The article is all over the place. It assumes everyone can win in the social mobility game, everyone should be a professional etc., without looking at the macro level logical flaws in that argument. It is the product of an individualist who can’t see beyond their own wallet and immediate social circle. The sad thing about the education system is that it produced such an infantile and warped person. But odds on we can pin that error on a private fee-paying school.

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Enya Rand - October 3, 2013

Yep – definitely a creamer. (Rich and thick).

And the automatic cringe in the direction of the current hegemony is symptomatic.

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sonofstan - October 3, 2013

The thickness is in itself an argument against only educating an ‘elite’ since clearly they don’t benefit from it. Unless the net is cast wider, there’s no hope.

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5. Dr. X - October 3, 2013

As the teaching orders decline and die out, there will inevitably be pressure for changes to the way the system is run – and that pressure is likely to come from the political right.

You can bet that opinions like those linked to here will increasingly rear their ugly head in coming years – and they will probably have “full spectrum dominance” of the media.

Don’t forget either that Donogh O’Malley brought in free second level education without any wider debate – he simply sprang it on both the nation and his FF party colleagues, and it proved so massively popular with the former that the latter had to wear it.

This was by no means something they would have done voluntarily. At least one of O’Malley’s predecessors said something to the effect that (I’m quoting from memory) that the Irish working classes were only fit for digging holes in the road anyway, so secondary education would be wasted on them. I suspect that this idea of secondary education as a “perk” is more widespread than you’d hope.

So, be afraid – be very afraid.

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6to5against - October 3, 2013

I have another worry about the decline of the teaching orders.

We have seen the beginning of large scale privitisation in UK schools over the last few years. Essentially how this works is that various private groups take on the running of schools/academies.
These groups might be church affiliated or not, community based or not. It was continuously stressed in the introduction of this systen that these groups could not run the schools at a profit. But the enormous loophole left open was that they were free to hire in profit making companies to carry out day-day-to-day management, within the school or of specific functions, such as IT departments.

Once its all nicely bedded down over there and these companies are looking to expand, won’t we look like rich pickings? A large number of schools under the management of bodies that hardly exist anymore and can surely be manipulated. And even the educate together group – whose intentions I believe are good and who run good schools – might be open to such a reverse takeover.

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Dr. X - October 3, 2013

+1. A lot of the schools run by the teaching orders were built with public money (if memory serves – my memory isn’t playing tricks on me, is it?), but that could easily be stricken from the record when the takeover strikes.

I could easily see the Irish Times and Irish “Independent” argue that these progressive capitalist-profit makers are superior to the older religious orders. . . the possibility that this might be a false choice won’t get an airing.

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6. Joe - October 3, 2013

Only got around to reading that now. A question WBS: Are the many typos yours or the writer’s?
I love this one:
“Is it because the kids are dossiers or is it because they receive crap schooling?”

Dosser, dossier, dossiest.

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Dr. X - October 3, 2013

“Dossiers full of children”

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WorldbyStorm - October 3, 2013

My bad typing, sorry Joe.

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Joe - October 4, 2013

No bother WBS. Having to type out that drivel would addle any man’s lovely brain.

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7. Enya Rand - October 3, 2013

Joe –

I suspect it’s the writer’s subconscious showing – the children of the underclasses are cases to be dealt with by their betters.

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8. Jim Monaghan - October 3, 2013

We should seriously look at both the German and Finnish models. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany
I do think that the merger of Vocational Schools and Secondary Schools with the merger of the Group Cert. privileged the academic over the Skill Based. There is a snobbery against the crafts in Ireland. I am against streaming and students should have maximum flexibility.

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sonofstan - October 3, 2013

Another eyeopener working here is the varied school careers our new intake have had: instead of the Irish system where they’ve all done basically the same exam, our students come here with A-levels, AS -levels, BTEC qualifications and so on. The variety of stuff they know already is way in excess of their Irish counterparts, even if, in many cases, their ‘traditional’ academic skills are weak. Most of them will have done continuously assessed project work and portfolios for Applied A-levels, representing a lot more work and at a much higher level of sophistication than the LC- and while they may not individually know much beyond their specialisms, the range of knowledge between them is pretty impressive.

I used to think that turning polys into universities was wrong-headed: I had the rather snobbish idea that a university education should be ‘above’ the merely vocational. But of course traditional universities are vocational too – it’s just the vocational training takes place socially rather than (just) in the lecture theatre. Boris Johnson’s education at Oxford was just as career focused as any apprenticeship, albeit clouded in a lot of upper class mysticism. Now – and not just because I’m working in one – I’m beginning to see the value: it’s all very well to protest that ‘more means worse’ but we know bloody well that ‘less will mean kicking away ladder and circling the middle-class wagons’.

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9. Bartholomew - October 3, 2013

And the article isn’t even accurate – it says that 345 points ‘won’t get you within an ass’s roar of the universities in Dublin, Cork and Galway.’

Arts entry points this year – UCD 340, UCC 335, UCG 300

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10. irishelectionliterature - October 3, 2013

Pat Kenny covered the Teachers strike yesterday morning. The bile and misinformation from Ed Walsh was incredible. Eddie Hobbs even texted in against the teachers and of course Pat loves the teachers too.
Fintan O’Mahony did a decent job in strying to counter them.
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/The_Pat_Kenny_Show/The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Highlights/34609/2/DEBATE:_Teachers'_Strike

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11. doctorfive - October 4, 2013

I quite enjoy the horror of Business Plus magazine, regularly flick through in Eason. Self-confidence inverse to self-awareness. When I had library access they had a box of treasure from the bubble, page after page of future bankrupts. Many may have escaped on lifeboats but no better example of how utterly full of shit they are then as now.

There was a great piece featuring non other than Marc Coleman and his return to education, praise for academia I’m sure he’s glad to see buried in the boom rubble

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WorldbyStorm - October 4, 2013

I wonder did Mulcahy junior serve out his apprenticeship on the business pages of the Phoenix?

Might try and dig up those article doctorfive. They seem most interesting.

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