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Some more thoughts on the Dublin West byelection… October 22, 2011

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics, The Left.
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On foot of IELB’s post here I was thinking only the other day how low key the Dublin West byelection is. Hardly surprising, there are two – count them, two – referendums also lost in the backwash, or is it slipstream, of the Presidential election. And yet the Irish Times, which is arguing strongly that it will be a Labour gain, argues that if so it will be the first byelection won by a government party in 29 years.

If it is Labour, and their candidate is curiously positioned as in and out of the tent in terms of his relationship to government policy [apparently he was agains the FG/LP coalition deal which is either admirable or cynical depending upon the political position of those critiquing him], then they must be thanking their lucky stars that this contest is being held ahead of December 6th which is now set as Budget day.

It’s an odd one. We know that the electorate is in a mood that can for want of a better term be described as indecisive. Opinion shifts first one way, then another. And yet, for all that, offered an actual election to the Dáil the support seems, at least from the soundings I’m hearing back from those involved in campaigns on the ground, to make an LP victory likely. Whether if Labour does win the seat this will be seen as an echo of the support for the party in Dublin as expressed during the General Election, or simply a product of the ‘tough’ decisions having not yet been taken may be difficult to divine. But who would bet on the party doing quite so well in the wake of the Budget. So perhaps small surprise, or none, to hear Patrick Nulty running the above mentioned fairly vague and ambiguous campaign of running with the government and throwing shapes about opposition. Whether that works for him remains to be seen.

But speaking of that it was slightly entertaining to see SP candidate Ruth Coppinger described as ‘plausible, serious and likable’ in the Irish Times. Damning with faint praise? And the Phoenix sort of follows suit. Though with more damning.

Coppinger is very much in the same mould as her one time boyfriend. Like many SP members she is strong on rhetoric, weak on detail and very dogmatic.

And here comes the faint praise.

But even her opponents on Fingal County Council concede that she is very hardworking, principled and with her finger on the pulse. Another mark of respect is that the same sources sya she is ‘very negative… sour’ and ‘not very nice’, qualities that are almost de rigueur for SP comrades’.

Yes. Well. Be that as it may… but you might wonder what’s really eating the Phoenix. In a one page profile it tells us next to nothing about her biography, her background, her expertise, bar the above. And then… and then… it suggests that despite the constituency being hard to read ‘but Coppinger could cause an upset’!


Conflicted is the word that springs to mind.

That said it’s also important to recognise that local issues and structural aspects of constituency politics will shape individual contests. National dynamics have an huge impact, obviously, as was proven by the decimation of Fianna Fáil at the last election, but there’s also the need to have structures extant in constituencies. On paper Dublin West would look good for the SP, but not necessarily so in a byelection where only one candidate can win. All this is pretty obvious stuff, but it does have ramifications for the future development of the ULA and its individual constituents – and indeed for SF and others.

In other words the Budgets won’t be the be all and end all, even, if as gloomily but crucially noted by Michael Taft this government has already extended the period of official austerity by at least one more year – and by the way, what sort of impact does that have on the Government parties fortunes?

One of the strangest aspects of the last election was to see SF and ULA TDs elected where their chances were either regarded as middling or very low. Justin… Jonathan O’Brien. election in Cork is a perfect example. That was the point where I began to think SF would breach 8 or 10 TDs. And to a degree, though her chances were always better, Joan Collins victory in Dublin, and perhaps equally so Richard Boyd Barrett. That the latter will have the fight of his life on at the next election in a contest where, most likely if Sean Barret retains the Cean Comhairle’s position the constituency will only have three seats available points to how local factors will weigh heavily, even if there is a fair wind for the ULA.

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1. Tomboktu - October 22, 2011

I wonder if anything will be said inside FG over their candidate choice. Could it be that Varadkar asked his troops to back a no-hoper rather than the running mate from the general election, to make absoloutely sure he did not have a fellow FG TD who might threaten him at the next general election (and would have the advantage of not having to devote any time to cabinet meetings or departmental MACs which could be valuably used to build relations with voters)?

[“Justin… election in Cork is a perfect example.” : I guess you meant Jonathan O’Brien. Neither Jonanthan nor Justin would be stereotypical SF names. But we don’t approve of stereotypes here on CLR anyway ;)]

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WorldbyStorm - October 22, 2011

Argghhh! The dangers of writing something late at night. I’d forgotten his name. Though I think I’ve met the odd SF associated Justin… 🙂

Think you’re dead right re Varadkar. Clever man. Though… though…

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Anyangzi - October 22, 2011

Think it is – Jonathon.

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2. Jolly Red Giant - October 22, 2011

Two factors come into play during an election campaign –

1. The election is a snapshot of opinion at a particular moment in time. There can be significant shifts of opinion over very short periods (as in the rise of Gallagher and the collapse of Norris in the Presidential election), Similarly in the 2007 election in Dublin West – if the election was held a week earlier Joe Higgins would have won the seat instead of Joan Burton. The swing back to FF in the last week changed the result. Almost immediately public opinion switched back and if the electio was held a week later it is likely that Joe Higgins would have taken the seat then.

What is clear at the present time is that public opinion is very volatile. The government is still pointing the finger at FF and blaming them for the crisis. However this excuse is wearing thin. Clearly if the general election result was replicated the LP would win comfortably – but that will not happen. The only question in Dublin West is how much support has shifted away from FG and LP. That we will find out on Thursday.

2. The second factor is momentum. A campaign that generates momentum behind a candidate can have a major impact on the outcome. In the DW by-election in 1996 Joe Higgins (in electoral terms) came out of no where to almost win the seat because significant momentum developed behind the campaign. Similarly, in 2007 there was little momentum behind left-wing candidates in the election – indications of crisis were emerging but the recession hadn’t hit and people wanted to maintain the status quo in the hope it would limited the impact of the crisis.

The current campaign shows momentum against the government but it is difficult to guage the scale of the momentum. Certainly the campaign against the cuts at Connolly Hospital is having a big impact – and we will get an idea of the scale of its impact today with the protest.

As each day passes there is shifting support from FG and LP to the Socialist Party/ULA and SF. Depending on where public opinion is now, the only question is will there be sufficient time for enough support to swing towards Ruth Coppinger in order for her to win or will the election come too soon and allow Nulty to win the seat.

FF, FG and LP will lose support from the general election while the Socialist Party/ULA and SF will increase support. On Friday we will find out if the balance has shifted enough for the Socialist Party to win.

One final point – on the portrayal of Ruth Coppinger in the media is not surprising. The establishment and the media have difficulty dealing with the fact that Socialist Party representatives will not play the ‘game’ that is played by the establishment politicians. It bugs them and they can’t deal with the fact that we don’t want to go drinking as if we are the best of buddies, we don’t want little private ‘chats’ and we are not willing to be part of the perpetuating intertwined relationship between politics and the media that represents the interests of the capitalist elite.

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WorldbyStorm - October 22, 2011

A lot there I agree with JRG, I hope you’re right that Coppinger is in with a better chance. Interesting isn’t it how there’s been no poll so far that I’m aware of from the constituency. Odd that.

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3. Shay Brennan - October 22, 2011

What’s eating the Phoenix is that it’s editor is an ex-Trot who now supports/leeches off of/ Sinn Féin. Hence they cannot praise the far left because they fear that it will damage SF. Hence the pettiness. Coppinger is streets ahead of Donnelly, who I remember being one of the main people in Dublin SF who wanted a coalition with Fianna Fail.

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WorldbyStorm - October 22, 2011

I’m saying nothing Shay… 😉

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shea - October 22, 2011

paul donnelly left over the GFA and only came back a few years ago. don’t think he was there for the coalition debate which was around the 2007 election. fairly sure he came back after. think your wrong there.

he’s a good worker but shinners are still playing catch up out there. think the rivalry between SF and SP is overrated here, obviously its there but would have thaught in this election would it be SP and labour.

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WorldbyStorm - October 22, 2011

I wasn’t disagreeing with you…just keeping my own counsel…

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5. Shay Brennan - October 22, 2011

I’m thinking of debates around 2000-2002 and Donnelly was deffo around, unless I’m completely mad (which I may be). My point was that Phoenix has an anti-SP/ULA agenda which is partly explained by the SF bias of editor and partly by the zeal of the convert re Trots.
Which means the magazine gets things wrong on the far left front more than it does on the right wing politics gossip.

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6. Shay Brennan - October 22, 2011

‘Paul Donnelly, a republican of long standing, only narrowly missed election to Fingal County Council when he stood as the party’s candidate for the Mulhuddart ward in the local elections of 1999.’
(From AP/RN)
So he left over the GFA (1998) but stood in 1999, and since then there has been decommissioning, policing and coalition with the DUP. Yup.

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Jolly Red Giant - October 22, 2011

Also interesting – Donnelly was the candidate in 1999 but was not the candidate in 2004 – was co-opted to the seat in 2008 and lost it in 2009.

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shea - October 23, 2011

yup. fairly sure it was over national politcs. some people left much later over than 1998 well in to the next decade some people went back after other decisions where taken, no hard rules on it. the splits in SF have been more fragmentations rather than a clean splitting of the deck.

he definatly wasn’t there in 2002. him leaving probably gave mary lou her start in SF there was a general election around then and she was put up for dublin west. he was the second person to be co opted to that seat. felix gallagher got it of a bloke called christy who unfairly had to give it up after a story about him in the herald.

think your confuseing him with some one else. not sure who though. Dublin republican argueing for coalition around 2000 – 2002.

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7. irishelectionliterature - October 22, 2011

Posted this FG Leaflet today ….
Includes details of how the “New Government has delivered on 5 point plan”
http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/new-government-has-delivered-on-5-point-plan-eithne-loftus-fine-gael-2011-dublin-west-bye-election/

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8. Ciarán - October 23, 2011

I’m curious about the SP’s strategy here. Higgins was just short of the quota in February; if Coppinger is successful here do they think it’ll be possible to successfully run two candidates next time around? Of course having a running mate in the general election could pretty much ensure Higgins’ return to Leinster House if the party does its vote management right.

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Jolly Red Giant - October 23, 2011

There are four seats in Dublin West. At least one from Burton or Varadker will lose.

The Socialist Party will be campaigning to win two seats in Dublin West at the next election.

I will call it now as 2SP/ULA, 1 FG and 1SF.

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Tomboktu - October 23, 2011

There will be a reduction in the total membership of the Dáil and the last census will result in changes of poplation distributions, so it could all be up in the air what constitutencies will exist in Dublin and where boundaries might be drawn.

Also, Higgins has high enough a profile to consider moving not a neighbouring area (provided he has enough time before an election to let voters there know he has moved base).

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neilcaff - October 23, 2011

If the SP do get two seats what’s the betting Dublin West will be top of the list for gerryman.., er sorry, reorganization?

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9. Shay Brennan - October 23, 2011

Plenty in SF from 6 counties were arguing that coalition with FF was the next step from 1999-2007 and some in Dub agreed with them.
Leadership have a funny habit of needing to talk up candidates as rebels of some sort. Donnelly is not of shall we say ‘independent mind’.

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shea - October 23, 2011

maybe your right about the leadership dropping hints about it that early at least, in dublin though i think your wrong. can’t think of anyone who was articulating it that early especially donnolly because he wasn’t there. its not a matter of donnolly being a rebel or not. my argument is that he wasn’t there when those praticular debates where happening. also iam not aware of donnolly being promoted by the leadership as a rebel or by the rank and file as a rebel, iam not in SF anymore but still bump in to people and here things. i brought up that he left to point out that he wasn’t there when those debates where happening not to make out that he would be naturally enclined to one position in that argument. he’s been involed in republicanism since he was young, people who have been around SF in the capital for a long while know him, familerarity, likeability and a typical dublin republican outlook i’d say is why he’s liked with in DSF any way.

on his independent mind iam not sure what your getting at. its difficult to argue against perception.

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WorldbyStorm - October 23, 2011

Apologies Shay and shea, I wasn’t reading the comments closely enough above and I got my responses to you comments mixed up.

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shea - October 23, 2011

no bother WBS, figured that ha.

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